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Mood synth filter curve

Today I was patching some synth params to novation launchkey knobs in AUM and Apesoft's Mood filter cutoff seems to behave quite odd (= different from other synths' filters).
The cutoff value jumps very fast in the lower frequencies so that is not possible to open the filter slowly with the launchkey knob, while it works smoothly with the UI knob.
It seems the midi cc range is mapped equally (along a linear curve) to the filter's 20-20k hz range, whereas it is supposed to be exponential (at least the UI control suggest so, as the mid position is around 1khz).
Is there a way to modify the mapping curve, either in AUM or Mood?

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  • wimwim
    edited February 2023

    @schulzki said:
    Today I was patching some synth params to novation launchkey knobs in AUM and Apesoft's Mood filter cutoff seems to behave quite odd (= different from other synths' filters).
    The cutoff value jumps very fast in the lower frequencies so that is not possible to open the filter slowly with the launchkey knob, while it works smoothly with the UI knob.
    It seems the midi cc range is mapped equally (along a linear curve) to the filter's 20-20k hz range, whereas it is supposed to be exponential (at least the UI control suggest so, as the mid position is around 1khz).
    Is there a way to modify the mapping curve, either in AUM or Mood?

    I think you'd need to run the MIDI through a plugin or script for that purpose. AUM lets you change the range of response of a control, but not the actual curve of it. That might be enough and is worth a try. But if not -

    MIDI Curve from the MIDI Tools suite is one plugin that comes to mind. That one is iPad only though. If you have Mozaic, there are some scripts that can do this. It would also be easy to set up a filter in Drambo to do this as well.

  • I’m still trying to figure out how to access the sampler! I can see load sample but not how to use them

  • @schulzki said:
    Today I was patching some synth params to novation launchkey knobs in AUM and Apesoft's Mood filter cutoff seems to behave quite odd (= different from other synths' filters).
    The cutoff value jumps very fast in the lower frequencies so that is not possible to open the filter slowly with the launchkey knob, while it works smoothly with the UI knob.
    It seems the midi cc range is mapped equally (along a linear curve) to the filter's 20-20k hz range, whereas it is supposed to be exponential (at least the UI control suggest so, as the mid position is around 1khz).
    Is there a way to modify the mapping curve, either in AUM or Mood?

    The Mood filter AUv3 needs to specify the cutoff parameter scale to be logarithmic. Then AUM will handle it correctly. This is an option when the AUv3 defines its parameters, and the dev needs to change it.

    It will be difficult to fix this with a script or other app modifying a CC, since its input and output can only be 0..127, but the typical cutoff range is 20..20,000, so max/min=1000. You'll still have very limited low-end resolution. The actual interface between AUM and the AUv3 is floating point, but we cannot access it directly.

    You might do better with pitch bend, since you then have a range of 16383 instead of only 127, but it would be tricky. AUM will let you map pitch bend to a parameter, and Mozaic could convert MIDI CC input messages to PB.

  • @uncledave said:

    The Mood filter AUv3 needs to specify the cutoff parameter scale to be logarithmic. Then AUM will handle it correctly. This is an option when the AUv3 defines its parameters, and the dev needs to change it.

    It will be difficult to fix this with a script or other app modifying a CC, since its input and output can only be 0..127, but the typical cutoff range is 20..20,000, so max/min=1000. You'll still have very limited low-end resolution. The actual interface between AUM and the AUv3 is floating point, but we cannot access it directly.

    You might do better with pitch bend, since you then have a range of 16383 instead of only 127, but it would be tricky. AUM will let you map pitch bend to a parameter, and Mozaic could convert MIDI CC input messages to PB.

    thanks @uncledave, that's it, it works as expected in the standalone version. Also thanks for the suggested solution, but I already spent way to much time in setup instead of actaully making music :blush: - so I will try to stay strong this time and just use the standalone IAA as a workaround (limits me to one instance though, but that's ok for now)

    I know that bugfixing declines very fast for most music apps, but I will contact Apesoft anyway. Let's see, if they have a better attitude :smiley:

  • @Fear2Stop said:
    I’m still trying to figure out how to access the sampler! I can see load sample but not how to use them

    it's straight forward - activate the "WARP" OSC in the mix section and turn up the level. You can open the sample dialog by tapping the sample icon above the switch.
    I didn't dig into it to much, but I think it is kind of a granular effect. You might want to switch off all other OSCs to better hear what it sounds like (some of the samples I tried were rather subtile)

    If you still have problems you may want to start a separate thread, I think it is difficult to find your request in a different topic.
    Cheers

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