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Midi controller with AUM and drambo issue
So this is definitely a dumb question but I’m a total beginner and very confused.
I have an APC40 and a Minilab connected to drambo, and drambo is in AUM. I’m using the APC40 to trigger channel changes, so I can use the Minilab to play different instruments on AUM channels and record the midi when I find something good. I felt like I had finally figured it out.
But now I have an issue. My APC is triggering notes in the active instrument and keyboard notes are hitting midi clips and record and play and all that.
how do I, a dummy, fix this issue? Is there a way to use both of these controllers without this issue happening? Can I reroute the buttons to use a different midi cc number or something?
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Where an Apc dosent maybe have an editor.
Assuming you used a mfx Drambo working for the minilab and filtered ( the video from before )
Can maybe suggest. Open another Drambo mfx. Give it midi channel 16 as output.
Point apc controller at this drambo and not the other drambo you made.
Then route this drambo to Aum midi control ( aum matrix )
Then block midi channel 16
I think Aum parameters and synth parameters should still work
The apc knobs should be cc anyway and you map in the aum channel thing for whatever synth is loaded.
The APC pads will be note. When you map in aum to launch apps. It should say what note and midi ch it is because its mapped.
You would be using another drambo mfx and choosing midi ch 16.
Because you would probably need all prior midi channels for synth notes and you wouldnt want to block because it would block the miniab.
Previous Drambo.
Minilab to Drambo MFX . Set output ch numbers in Drambo tracks. Then point this Drambo at any synths.
Block any channels in aum filter for the ,that arnt that track ( plus midi ch 16 )
Then add another Drambo mfx ( the Drambo track output as 16 )
Point Apc at this Drambo. The the drambo to mid control ( in aum matrix )
Then map cc knobs in aum channel. The apc pads in aum channels. Plus map the same buttons to the other Drambo track pads ( by mapping in Drambo )
Cant see why it shouldnt work but obviously better if you try.
For the buttons you dont want mapped like record etc.
Theres another settings next to dsp bar and AUM matrix.
This is for transport mappings ( which might be mapped )
So unmap there by turning off.
Cant see why stuff would auto map in aum though.
but I think controller auto maps to abelton.
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@bezz_jeens As a first step, I'd suggest making sure the controllers are sending on different MIDI channels. Then use those specific channels in the receiving apps, not "omni". That will let you filter notes and CCs by the controller, instead of pouring them all into one big mush.
Just reading over these now, I’ll have an opportunity to respond in full later, but I just wanted to mention that I did some more research, the apc, for whatever reason, sends on channels 1-8 and you can’t change that lol. But the minilab I can just put up on a high channel and they won’t interfere, or @sigma79 ’s idea will likely work, using 2 instances of drambo
It doesn't auto-map in AUM, I was mapping those buttons myself but hitting them would also play a note.
I'm not in front of the setup until later today but I think this should work. What do you mean by "the apc pads in aum channels"? Also, thank you for your video the other day, what you showed works perfectly, it was only when trying to map more controls when I started to run into this overlapping midi issue.
I tested a a software keyboard. It were midi channal 1. Blocked midi channel 1 and all midi channels with AUM filter. AUM still recieved cc message and note but not note for triggering synths.
AUM parameters like launch app, volume, mute, could map.
The cc parameter list, mappable for synth thats in the AUM channel, could map.
If you point controller at another Drambo then that Drambo at midi control in AUM matrix.
but set this Drambo for midi channel 16 in Drambo output ( the last midi channel to be used )
You wont block the needed midi channel inputs of the other Drambo, synths/minilab, when you filter in AUM.
You wouldnt point the APC Drambo at any synths ( unlike the minilab Drambo )
What do I mean by APC pads in AUM channels?
When you point something at midi control ( in AUM matrix )
Everything is mappable in each AUM channel strip ( where you also filter ) Theres mutes, solos etc. Plus all the synth parameters.
Hope it works because I didnt test with hardware. Apologies if it dosent. Its still kinda theory.
Ideally there would be an APC editor to custom midi behavior of all apc's midi per button and knob
but dont think there is.
Made a vid with hardware controllers.
If you combine with the other vid and the other Drambo routing.
At end of this vid.
I took away a routing ( a microkey Bluetooth ) that were going to Drambo
Because it were just to see if it worked.
Not needed in your case.
The midi din routing shown. To Drambo. Drambo to midicontrol. Would be your APC.
You can see all the filtering and midi mapping in vid also.
The audio din. Is a cc midi controller and mapped to obxd vol via aum
The microkey is obviously note. Mapped to aum mute.
But all channels are filtered.
Your apc would be the mapping at end of vid, but with the mapping of the other vid also for the minilab.
but if you find you need an encoder controller because of the apc not being rotary encoder, style controller.
You could just use Drambo host ( you can actually have 12 tracks in Drambo )
Where you dont really need a controller because of automation recording and bizer curve editing.
A controller just makes it a bit more pro but even then you will either re-record and curve edit ( I think )
Drambo might gain more tracks also soon.
I dont use Cubasis becuase of dual ipad Drambos and just dont complete songs.
but the Cubasis mixer is automated and the faders via screen might be accurate or good to use the screen for.
But cubasis is expensive.
You might use abelton link in cubasis.
Send tracks of audio to cubasis and mix. Whilst still working in Drambo or cubasis.
Id maybe use cubasis if I didnt have dual ipads but still may.
Just dont need it at the mo.
Sorry mate.
You can use Drambo host, so you dont need a controller upgrade yet.
and still use aum as a mixing of audio place.
So you shouldnt need to buy cubasis.
You could still map cc knobs in Drambo. Then un-map and map for next instrument.
Likewise in AUM.
If theres any addition effects you might add at the AUM stage.
You can import a template mapping of effects.
Record.
Then Copy and paste the effects from channel to channel. So you dont have to map again.
I think I might try using Drambo as the host. I'm not particularly attached to AUM, it's just what I was familiar with.
I'm not too worried about finishing tracks, I'm not that interested in recording much, I mostly just want to play live and be able to do seamless jamming with myself that sounds really good.
Any setup that can help with improvisation and swapping between instruments very quickly is one for me.
So most of everything I was asking went great with your advice. Thanks!
One last thing that I wanted to do, I wanted to see if you had any pointers here.
If I map a knob on my controller to something in track 1, and the same knob to something in track 2, is there a way to control only the knob in the highlighted track? I can just change the midi channel, but it would be more helpful to just select the track and control the knob with one button.
I'm trying to configure Drambo to essentially take a track from nothing to full completely live onstage, so quickly switching between channels and settings is semi-important.
Thanks for all your help so far, I feel that I'm almost completely to my setup goal.
Also, thanks for recommending Drambo standalone and AUM for audio mixing later. Much easier that way and I love the Drambo workflow.
For controlling parameters, where a hardware knob will be a multiple cc mapping.
I think you need a rotary controller like a midi fighter twister or faderfox Ec4.
Even if each track were a different midi channel, as also the cc knobs on controller.
and so it woulnt turn cc knobs on other tracks.
It would when you switch tracks because the position of the physical knob, would have moved, when you tweaked other track.
Rotary controllers just spin. Where as normal knobs have a left and right position.
Thats why I thought Drambo would be best bet for making songs.
Without an encoder controller. You got 99% automation recording, with only mapping the amount of knobs available ( with the apc controller )
So the Minilab actually does have rotary controls that just spin endlessly, so they work for this setup. When I had it set up in AUM, switching channel with the MIDI filter and Drambo AU, this worked with the Minilab.
Of course, yes, the APC knobs will move the mapped control when you switch tracks, but as far as I can tell the Minilab will not.
So that's what I'll do.
Each track only takes in one MIDI channel and then I have the knobs mapped in each one. Then I'll just use the Minilab's pad controls to change tracks as I've been doing, since it has 2 banks of 8 I can switch to all available tracks anyway.
I'll let you know how it goes and make a little video just to share.
Thanks!
Cool jeens.
Sort it out and let us know.