RhythmBud alternative? (/ RhythmBud 2)

vdk_john

Hi,
I was looking for something like RhythmBud that allows to feed in sustained chords and let you experiment with different rhythms, basically separating pitch and rhythm.

It seems apps like 4Pockets Euclidean do transform chords in a sequence of notes rather than playing the chords at a different tempo?

Any recommendations? Thanks

cem_olcay

RhythmBud 2 in a near future? I don’t know if there are any apps like RhythmBud, it’s pretty unique. Maybe Mosaic or StreamByter, but you need to code the feature yourself, so it’s not everyone’s cup of tea.

What would you like to see in a hypothetical RhythmBud 2?

vdk_john

Hi,
Thanks for your quick answer!

RhythmBud makes it tricky to re-arrange the different "blocks" or add new ones. It would be great for it to allow to drag and drop them around hand having them "snapping" ("magnet") to each other. So basically easier to resize and swap them.

Now you are not limited in what rhythm you come up with which is great, but from there to experiment with different ones it's quite tricky.

Also there is a bug where the undo button sometimes removes everything with no way of recovering what you had before

vdk_john

One example of what I meant is the sequencer in ChordJam, where you drag and drop block on the timeline (in that case you also specify the chord, but in the case of RhythmBud it would only affect the rhythm)

Thanks

Gavinski

There are also definitely some Mozaic scripts that do this kind of thing. Can't remember the names but people like @wim, @_ki and @McD would know

wim

I wrote a script called Hypno Sequence that detaches pitch and rhythm. You lay down a sequence of notes, then can play the sequence back by tapping a note rhythmically. It's a really liberating way to create.

It only works with single notes though. Maybe I'll look at doing a multi-note version.

However, if you sent the output of that to another script, The Chordulator, those single notes could be expanded out to chords with some creative options for adding bass notes, different ways of voicing, strumming, and humanization.

Not exactly what you want, but those two in combination would be pretty interesting to explore.

vdk_john

@wim said:
I> @wim said:
I wrote a script called Hypno Sequence that detaches pitch and rhythm. You lay down a sequence of notes, then can play the sequence back by tapping a note rhythmically. It's a really liberating way to create.

Thanks @wim and @Gavinski
I bought Mozaic and considering writing code is my job, that's a dangerous door to open 🤣

I'll let you know if anything good comes out of it, otherwise... if you see an iPad flying it might be mine 😅

zah7

@cem_olcay said:
RhythmBud 2 in a near future? I don’t know if there are any apps like RhythmBud, it’s pretty unique. Maybe Mosaic or StreamByter, but you need to code the feature yourself, so it’s not everyone’s cup of tea.

What would you like to see in a hypothetical RhythmBud 2?

True. One of its kind! I use it all the time and I would gladly pay for rhythmbud2.
It would be great to see ‚copy-paste’ option in rhythm section , so I wouldn’t have to repeat a pattern one by one (block by block). Another idea - a possibility to add snapshots from a preset, and I mean a few, not just one.
Lastly, as I create piano patterns with the app, I would like to see more strumming options.
Thanks!

zah7

@wim said:

However, if you sent the output of that to another script, The Chordulator, those single notes could be expanded out to chords with some creative options for adding bass notes, different ways of voicing, strumming, and humanization.

The Chordulator is amazing. I was able to come up with sth like this using the script:

Poppadocrock

Definitely several Mozaic script options.

Chordjam can do something similar if used as a midi filter and not a sequencer. send the chords you have through CJ and you can set strum, or arp, and either lock or randomize the time of notes, velocity, intervals, etc..

vdk_john

@vdk_john said:
Thanks @wim and @Gavinski
I bought Mozaic and considering writing code is my job, that's a dangerous door to open 🤣

I'll let you know if anything good comes out of it, otherwise... if you see an iPad flying it might be mine 😅

Alright... basically spent the whole weekend on this, but the iPad is still in one piece!
Still work in progress - please let me know what you think

vdk_john

@McLeaferson said:
And let's be real, you're already on your iPad all day, do you really want to spend your free time coding? But, if you're a coding wizard like some of the dudes here, go for it! Maybe you'll create the next RhythmBud.

Hey @McLeaferson

Thanks for your reply. And you're right I didn't want to spend my free time coding, I'd rather use something already available.

However, I think I came up with something that works for me. Will share another video later, but the video above should give the idea

That said, I will keep an eye out for RhythmBud 2 as Mozaic is great but not without limitations

edit:
here it is -> https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/54436/rhythmyzzah-for-mozaic-experiment-with-different-rhythms

vdk_john

@cem_olcay said:

RhythmBud 2 in a near future? I don’t know if there are any apps like RhythmBud, it’s pretty unique.

hi @cem_olcay
Was just wondering if you happen to have any update on this?

Thanks

Butterfrog

Upcoming eg nodes by @ElliottGarage has a great rythm sequencer!

cem_olcay

@vdk_john said:
@cem_olcay said:

RhythmBud 2 in a near future? I don’t know if there are any apps like RhythmBud, it’s pretty unique.

hi @cem_olcay
Was just wondering if you happen to have any update on this?

Thanks

It's on my roadmap, definitely will consider a RhythmBud 2 or similar type app for the next year's releases!
Just finished my new app MuseBud and will release it on the next week.

vdk_john

@cem_olcay said:

It's on my roadmap, definitely will consider a RhythmBud 2 or similar type app for the next year's releases!
Just finished my new app MuseBud and will release it on the next week.

Thanks for the update! Looking forward to it!

@Butterfrog said:
Upcoming eg nodes by ElliottGarage has a great rythm sequencer!

Will have to look into it, but not sure it runs as an AUv3 MIDI fx? (i.e. could it take incoming midi notes and trigger them based on the rhythm sequencer pattern?)

Anyway, seems a very interesting app regardless; many thanks for mentioning it, I'll surely check it out

MrStochastic

@wim said:
I wrote a script called Hypno Sequence that detaches pitch and rhythm. You lay down a sequence of notes, then can play the sequence back by tapping a note rhythmically. It's a really liberating way to create.

I've just discovered your great and slightly complex script and have been really enjoying the results. But, and I apologize for being dense, but I'm not having any luck saving the separate presets. When I save a preset and then dial in a previously saved preset, it's gone and only the most recent preset is there. ?

wim

@Stochastically said:

@wim said:
I wrote a script called Hypno Sequence that detaches pitch and rhythm. You lay down a sequence of notes, then can play the sequence back by tapping a note rhythmically. It's a really liberating way to create.

I've just discovered your great and slightly complex script and have been really enjoying the results. But, and I apologize for being dense, but I'm not having any luck saving the separate presets. When I save a preset and then dial in a previously saved preset, it's gone and only the most recent preset is there. ?

oooh. I haven't touched that script since just after I wrote it. I don't even remember how it works. 😂
I'll dust it off later today and see what's up. Hopefully not a bug, but you never know...

Unless maybe @hypnopad is still hanging about and can comment? Or some other user?

wim

@Stochastically said:

@wim said:
I wrote a script called Hypno Sequence that detaches pitch and rhythm. You lay down a sequence of notes, then can play the sequence back by tapping a note rhythmically. It's a really liberating way to create.

I've just discovered your great and slightly complex script and have been really enjoying the results. But, and I apologize for being dense, but I'm not having any luck saving the separate presets. When I save a preset and then dial in a previously saved preset, it's gone and only the most recent preset is there. ?

I think I see the misunderstanding. You have to use the preset select dial, followed by the recall dial.

The preset dial only sets which slot the next action will act on, it doesn't carry out any action. I think you're expecting it to recall the preset as you select it. That isn't the case.

Lay down a sequence of notes, pick a preset slot, and then use the save dial. Make changes to the current pattern. Pick a new preset slot, then use the save dial. Now pick the first preset slot. Nothing happens. Use the recall dial and now that preset slot will be loaded to the current pattern.

I know it's unintuitive from the way presets work in plugins, but it has to work that way due to limitations of the Mozaic UI. And it lets you decide where to save the current pattern without affecting it. Let's say you wanted to save your current pattern to slot 5, but the knob is at slot 1. As soon as you moved the dial you'd lose your current pattern to whatever was in slot 2.

wim

Oh, @Stochastically - you can designate a note range to recall presets instantly if needed. Check the help screen. 👍🏼

MrStochastic

@wim said:

@Stochastically said:

@wim said:
I wrote a script called Hypno Sequence that detaches pitch and rhythm. You lay down a sequence of notes, then can play the sequence back by tapping a note rhythmically. It's a really liberating way to create.

I've just discovered your great and slightly complex script and have been really enjoying the results. But, and I apologize for being dense, but I'm not having any luck saving the separate presets. When I save a preset and then dial in a previously saved preset, it's gone and only the most recent preset is there. ?

I think I see the misunderstanding. You have to use the preset select dial, followed by the recall dial.

The preset dial only sets which slot the next action will act on, it doesn't carry out any action. I think you're expecting it to recall the preset as you select it. That isn't the case.

Lay down a sequence of notes, pick a preset slot, and then use the save dial. Make changes to the current pattern. Pick a new preset slot, then use the save dial. Now pick the first preset slot. Nothing happens. Use the recall dial and now that preset slot will be loaded to the current pattern.

I finally got it! Thanks for walking me through it 🤓

wim

@Stochastically said:
I finally got it! Thanks for walking me through it 🤓

Glad it helped. It does seem a bit odd at first, but I remember now why I did it that way.

I decided to make a few small-ish changes. I'm setting an auto-advance-edit mode where entering a note automatically moves to the next step. I'm also going to use the note input velocity in edit mode. Right now it only sets the note value.

MrStochastic

@wim said:

@Stochastically said:
I finally got it! Thanks for walking me through it 🤓

Glad it helped. It does seem a bit odd at first, but I remember now why I did it that way.

I decided to make a few small-ish changes. I'm setting an auto-advance-edit mode where entering a note automatically moves to the next step. I'm also going to use the note input velocity in edit mode. Right now it only sets the note value.

Auto advance will be very helpful! I’ve been using the mozaic velocity randomizer with it.

wim

Hey @Stochastically - I uploaded Hypno Sequence Version 1.30

Version 1.30

• Added AUTO edit mode to automatically advance to the next step. (See help)
• Added knob and option to use incoming note velocity in EDIT and AUTO modes.
• Incoming notes now play in EDIT and AUTO modes. (Can be changed in User Tweaks)
• PLAY mode defaults to velocity pass through. (Can be changed in User Tweaks)

rs2000

This would be an easy task to do with Drambo's own sequencer modules.
Interested?
You could even have separate key ranges on your keyboard, one to transpose pitch and another to choose from different rhythms.
You could also use the new sequencer module to write different pitch vs rhythm sequences and trigger any of them live with your MIDI keyboard.

MrStochastic

@wim said:
Hey @Stochastically - I uploaded Hypno Sequence Version 1.30

Version 1.30

• Added AUTO edit mode to automatically advance to the next step. (See help)
• Added knob and option to use incoming note velocity in EDIT and AUTO modes.
• Incoming notes now play in EDIT and AUTO modes. (Can be changed in User Tweaks)
• PLAY mode defaults to velocity pass through. (Can be changed in User Tweaks)

Excellent! Thanks for all of these improvements. I've been working on something I plan to share on the forum using it soon.