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First you have to separate the aficionados from the true music lovers, I think
https://pitchfork.com/news/mofi-faces-fraud-lawsuit-for-selling-vinyl-reissues-as-purely-analog-while-using-digital-masters/
Ironically, I 100% believe if Beethoven could’ve played a modern Steinway he’d never look at a pianoforte again.
But ultimately, what’s the harm? With 8 billion on the planet there’s everything for everybody.
After the sentient robots become apex predators, will they eventually feel nostalgic for the days when their imperfect human creators were around? Perhaps they will begin to introduce probabilistic viruses into themselves?
I’d say at least 90%. Texture is tactile; an almost physical experience for sound. Trying to make something sound old seems more intentionally ironic.
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I’d say at least 90%. Texture helps give a physical tactile feeling. Trying to make something sound old is mostly just done ironically.
I think there’s also a bit of people mistaking old sounding for good sounding. They don’t like modern ultra compressed shit, so they look towards old maker tools, when really what they want is just a tastefully balanced mix that’s not tiring on the ears.
I mostly use things like tape emulation to mask my insipid and undisciplined approach to music-making. I like messing around with dub techno because the instruments that matter are things like tape echo, not my chops at the keyboard. I consider this a crutch, but even the crutch takes some skill to wield properly.
I'd say "people" record things they like to hear. Who is to judge if what they like is valid? The guardians of the Top 40 judge them harshly - you don't hear much "old sounding" vibe playing over the PA at Walmart.
it's a planet of hungry ghosts thing- ancestor simulation- we don't know we are all dead-
was wondering how BoC concieved their "old sounding" approach & found this bit of interview:
so maybe BoC didn't think "old" & they didn't think "fuzzy". maybe they thought "like back when all we had was 2 cassette recorders". :^) the sound emerged from making music with just what they had. 2 kids, 2 tape recorders... creativity loves limits.
I’m not sure it actually IS a desire to make music sound OLD, per se. It’s just a desire to make it sound GOOD. Contemporary recording technologies are inferior to recording technologies from other points in history. Sometimes people think NOW is the ultimate moment, whenever NOW might be, but think of something like literature; it was objectively better before TV than it is now, because it was the vital form of communication. And film is objectively better than video. So although the contemporary machines might be more CONVENIENT to use, and more affordable, they just don’t sound as good as they did when music was a vital force in society, rather than playing second fiddle to more immediate forms of communication, like it does in the contemporary moment.
If you weren’t around in the 70s and 80s it’s really impossible to imagine the context the music from then existed in. It was much more like the position Twitter, or even the internet in general holds now. It was how subcultural information was communicated. Now you can find alternative voices to the mainstream narrative very easily. Back then, you really had to go to music.
So- because music was such a vital force in society, there was a huge focus on how it sounded. In subsequent decades, as it’s importance declined, so did the quality of the machines manufactured to produce it, since there just wasn’t the return on investment to be made, studios closed down etc. Til you reach the contemporary moment, and there are no valves, no tape, no preamps. These are the things people want to emulate. Because they are just objectively superior to what we have now.
I like flaws and that’s not a fad for me. For over 30 years, I’ve been wishing I could recreate sounds of 1960’s Spaghetti Westerns.
@Sabicas : I know what you mean.
The idea of walking into Walmart and hearing the dulcet tones of a Jupiter-8 just made me laugh 😂
Texture, vibes, digital sounds too clean and it confuses my ears because it sounds unnatural
What's with the desire to make music sound anything? There are infinite ways to make music sound. It's a long pointless road trying to answer that OP question IMO.
"Things go in an out of fashion... Nostalgia exists... Sound effects can be used as a gimmick..."
Breathtaking insights for a 400+-page academic effort. 👊🤓👍
Lol, in fairness I haven't read it but found it while looking for any interesting articles on the topic.
Probably written by a bot 😝
For me it’s mostly the dirt that it adds. I’ve been messing a lot with long delays that disappear into a muffled and distorted repetitive mess.
It seems like music created purely by digital means is inherently too clean. I notice that often adding an acoustic element makes all the difference.
I love the vinyl emulations but never end up using them somehow. Same with tape. I prefer the imperfections coming from detuned oscillators and distortion’s although it’s a difficult balance to keep it all musical.
To me it’s analogous to a new versus an well worn t shirt. I know which one I’m wearing!!
As someone who makes music that tries to sound old, I think there are several reasons. Firstly it was a case of that I actually could, to learn how to make music I tried to emulate my heroes like basinki, BOC and burial. Now that there are a thousand tape emulators and degrading apps on the AppStore, it’s less just that I can make music that approximates my favourites, and more to give a sense of impermanence and uncertainty to music that can sound kind of sterile. Like @suboptimal says I also use to it “elevate” my somewhat simple and boring style into something a bit more mysterious. To give it a sense of other-ness, as if it’s just been stumbled upon scanning an old dial radio. To me it adds a kind of timelessness, in the sense that it sounds like music that hasn’t been made so much as that it’s always been there. It reminds me of when I was young and extended the Ariel of my boombox to be able to pick up pirate radio stations and tune in to strange otherworldly techno and rave music, and later jungle. So for me nostalgia plays a huge part, Irish artist Buz Ludzha aka the cyclist is an expert in using this technique imo. His music just takes me back to the early to mid 90s and listening to tapes recorded from the radio around a campfire in my late teens.
https://tapethrobrecords.bandcamp.com/album/jungle-tapes
Maybe it’s a cheap technique, or a fad, I don’t know… but really I believe we are at a point in music history where really anything goes, and I’m going to keep doing it because it’s what gives me the most, albeit bittersweet, pleasure.
Exactly this!
A sound engineer working in a very famous (UK) studio once told me back in the day “want to make something sound vintage? Easy - turn down the treble and boost the mids on the desk. Not vintage enough? Turn down the treble some more”.
Made me laugh, never forgot it.
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The funny thing about vintage recordings is that prior to the 90’s they were not at all intended by the artists or studios but were recorded in the best state of the art quality available at the time.
I wonder what will be the reaction to current fake vintage records in 20 years time.
Maybe it's happened already? How do we feel about Boards of Canada or even Golden age hip hop music even? Personally, I think that we are well past that point now.
True. Mashed potatoes from now on. Could be a good thing.
I get the appeal but whenever I try to tape/vinyl/lo fi something up, I want it to be too apparent and prominent in the mix to make sure the vibe gets through. Then I realize it’s overkill and adjust and it’s too subtle so I just remove it and work “modern”. I dunno, you can still detect the fake stuff.
I do agree about modern production being very fatiguing to the mind and ears. One of my very top modern artists, War on Drugs, has such incredible, meticulous, dense production but it’s so tiring I can only listen to half an album at a time every couple months or so. It puts me through the wringer. It’s cathartic, but ultimately a bummer I can’t listen to an entire piece of work at once.
I love The War On Drugs but it’s hard to get in the mood for it. Beautiful stuff, just so sad.
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The man’s secret was cigarettes and having at least 9 kids.
I can definitely appreciate a very hi-fi type of production too: Destroyer Kaputt would be a good reference for that for me, or something like The Blow Monkeys Digging Your Scene if I fancy it a bit more on the camp and cheesy side.
‘Bartender, I’ll have one of whatever magic potion it was that he just had!’
@Gavinski funnily enough I always think of Destroyer's Kaputt as being kinda nostalgic. It's the references to Sounds, Smash Hits, Melody Maker and NME I guess.
An electric guitar is lofi. Now do you understand why?
Yah I have tried to talk to people about this, including people who were back then who just kind of reply "What? People still love music. You're being silly." sigh, but yah I get what you mean and you summed it up way better than I tried to. Music was also way more of a source of identity then, although I am kind of glad the pretentious rebellious fashion statement / calling card part is gone as nowadays it just seems more like weekend cosplay to kids, heh.