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  • SandstormSandstorm

    @bygjohn said:

    @Edward_Alexander said:
    Also, you don’t choose your RAM with iPads, you choose your storage. If you choose the 1 or 2 TB option, you get the 16GB of RAM. There is no other RAM options with those storage choices.

    TBH it’s the storage that’s driving me towards upgrading. I was already running low with 128GB, but Jamuary pretty much finished me off with a load of new videos. So much transferring to iCloud and deleting stuff, and general faffing about. And now my iCloud is filling up! 256 would be tight as I’ve already offloaded a bunch of apps, 512 might just do, but 1TB would be ideal. 2TB is really out of my league.

    If your in the UK you can get the 2TB wifi only ipad pro for the same price as the 1TB! https://www.currys.co.uk/products/apple-12.9-ipad-pro-2022-2-tb-space-grey-10244584.html

  • SandstormSandstorm

    Just want to say thank you to everyone for all the helpful comments, it's much appreciated. Just purchased the 1TB ipad pro 12,9. Picking it up tomorrow...can't wait!

  • sigma79sigma79

    @Sandstorm said:
    Just want to say thank you to everyone for all the helpful comments, it's much appreciated. Just purchased the 1TB ipad pro 12,9. Picking it up tomorrow...can't wait!

    You wanna sell it?

  • NeuMNeuM

    @Poppadocrock said:
    Tough call, Ram is one of the most important aspects, especially if you are using it as your main device to make music. I guess it really comes down to affordability. I think the value is there, and the added abilities should let you get a year or 2 extra out of it. Maybe consider potential resale value in a few years just in case. Also consider its longevity (be able to use it as needed and update OS) and how often you will be using to get a better idea of it really being worth it. If it’s affordable to you, and at a good price point, I’d say yea. But it’s really hard to say, since I don’t know your budget, or situation… You should easily get 6 maybe 7 years out of it, but I’m speculating. If you use it everyday for 6 or 7 years, it will probably be a good decision to get the big one, assuming you are able to afford it without affecting your regular spending habits. Cheers!

    Completely agree. Get what you can afford, but don’t settle for less on a device you’ll need to rely on for years to come.

  • richardyotrichardyot

    @Sandstorm said:
    Just want to say thank you to everyone for all the helpful comments, it's much appreciated. Just purchased the 1TB ipad pro 12,9. Picking it up tomorrow...can't wait!

    Congratulations! You’ll love it. The screen on that thing is amazing 😻

  • SandstormSandstorm

    @sigma79 said:

    @Sandstorm said:
    Just want to say thank you to everyone for all the helpful comments, it's much appreciated. Just purchased the 1TB ipad pro 12,9. Picking it up tomorrow...can't wait!

    You wanna sell it?

    How much you offering? :D

  • SandstormSandstorm

    @richardyot said:

    @Sandstorm said:
    Just want to say thank you to everyone for all the helpful comments, it's much appreciated. Just purchased the 1TB ipad pro 12,9. Picking it up tomorrow...can't wait!

    Congratulations! You’ll love it. The screen on that thing is amazing 😻

    Thank you Richard.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @Sandstorm congrats! Now take it back immediately and get the 2 TB one you can get at curry's for the same price as the 1tb, no?

  • richardyotrichardyot
    edited March 2023

    @Gavinski said:

    @Sandstorm congrats! Now take it back immediately and get the 2 TB one you can get at curry's for the same price as the 1tb, no?

    That one is an M2, not an M1. The M1 is much much cheaper in the UK.

    (edit: actually sorry, I'm probably wrong, ignore me)

  • SandstormSandstorm

    @Gavinski said:

    @Sandstorm congrats! Now take it back immediately and get the 2 TB one you can get at curry's for the same price as the 1tb, no?

    Ha! I know, I know...There is method in my madness!

    So firstly I have had a few issues with Currys, quite sometime ago, but still, I always remember the way they treated me. Also their interest free period is only 6 months and it only comes with a one year standard Apple warranty.

    I have got it on 0% credit over 18 months and it comes with a 2 year guarantee. I will probably never need 2TB and if I did I would get an external SSD drive.

    On to Amazon now to get a descent case and USB C hub.

    Cheers.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @Sandstorm said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Sandstorm congrats! Now take it back immediately and get the 2 TB one you can get at curry's for the same price as the 1tb, no?

    Ha! I know, I know...There is method in my madness!

    So firstly I have had a few issues with Currys, quite sometime ago, but still, I always remember the way they treated me. Also their interest free period is only 6 months and it only comes with a one year standard Apple warranty.

    I have got it on 0% credit over 18 months and it comes with a 2 year guarantee. I will probably never need 2TB and if I did I would get an external SSD drive.

    On to Amazon now to get a descent case and USB C hub.

    Cheers.

    Given the rate of inflation in the UK now that’s actually a pretty good deal!

  • bygjohnbygjohn

    @Sandstorm said:

    @bygjohn said:

    @Edward_Alexander said:
    Also, you don’t choose your RAM with iPads, you choose your storage. If you choose the 1 or 2 TB option, you get the 16GB of RAM. There is no other RAM options with those storage choices.

    TBH it’s the storage that’s driving me towards upgrading. I was already running low with 128GB, but Jamuary pretty much finished me off with a load of new videos. So much transferring to iCloud and deleting stuff, and general faffing about. And now my iCloud is filling up! 256 would be tight as I’ve already offloaded a bunch of apps, 512 might just do, but 1TB would be ideal. 2TB is really out of my league.

    If your in the UK you can get the 2TB wifi only ipad pro for the same price as the 1TB! https://www.currys.co.uk/products/apple-12.9-ipad-pro-2022-2-tb-space-grey-10244584.html

    Drat, that only applies to the 12.9, I’m really after an 11, and the 2TB costs more than the 12.9!

    Food for thought, but i suspect the 12.9 would be more prone to damage, and it’s more than I really want to pay.

    Thank you for the tip, though.

  • SandstormSandstorm
    edited March 2023

    @bygjohn said:

    @Sandstorm said:

    @bygjohn said:

    @Edward_Alexander said:
    Also, you don’t choose your RAM with iPads, you choose your storage. If you choose the 1 or 2 TB option, you get the 16GB of RAM. There is no other RAM options with those storage choices.

    TBH it’s the storage that’s driving me towards upgrading. I was already running low with 128GB, but Jamuary pretty much finished me off with a load of new videos. So much transferring to iCloud and deleting stuff, and general faffing about. And now my iCloud is filling up! 256 would be tight as I’ve already offloaded a bunch of apps, 512 might just do, but 1TB would be ideal. 2TB is really out of my league.

    If your in the UK you can get the 2TB wifi only ipad pro for the same price as the 1TB! https://www.currys.co.uk/products/apple-12.9-ipad-pro-2022-2-tb-space-grey-10244584.html

    Drat, that only applies to the 12.9, I’m really after an 11, and the 2TB costs more than the 12.9!

    Food for thought, but i suspect the 12.9 would be more prone to damage, and it’s more than I really want to pay.

    Thank you for the tip, though.

    Got mine from John Lewis. Ordered mine at 7pm last night and picked it up at 11am! well packaged as well. also comes with a 2 year guarantee, not bad tbh.

  • richardyotrichardyot

    @Sandstorm said:

    @bygjohn said:

    @Sandstorm said:

    @bygjohn said:

    @Edward_Alexander said:
    Also, you don’t choose your RAM with iPads, you choose your storage. If you choose the 1 or 2 TB option, you get the 16GB of RAM. There is no other RAM options with those storage choices.

    TBH it’s the storage that’s driving me towards upgrading. I was already running low with 128GB, but Jamuary pretty much finished me off with a load of new videos. So much transferring to iCloud and deleting stuff, and general faffing about. And now my iCloud is filling up! 256 would be tight as I’ve already offloaded a bunch of apps, 512 might just do, but 1TB would be ideal. 2TB is really out of my league.

    If your in the UK you can get the 2TB wifi only ipad pro for the same price as the 1TB! https://www.currys.co.uk/products/apple-12.9-ipad-pro-2022-2-tb-space-grey-10244584.html

    Drat, that only applies to the 12.9, I’m really after an 11, and the 2TB costs more than the 12.9!

    Food for thought, but i suspect the 12.9 would be more prone to damage, and it’s more than I really want to pay.

    Thank you for the tip, though.

    Got mine from John Lewis. Ordered mine at 7pm last night and picked it up at 11am! well packaged as well. also comes with a 2 year guarantee, not bad tbh.

    I got mine from John Lewis as well, specifically for the 2-year guarantee. Mine's a 1TB M1 though.

    The screen is really great, so much so that I've indulged myself watching HDR shows on Netflix and the like with it. In some ways it's actually better than my Sony OLED TV, because the highlights really glow in shows shot in Dolby Vision.

  • SandstormSandstorm

    @richardyot said:

    @Sandstorm said:

    @bygjohn said:

    @Sandstorm said:

    @bygjohn said:

    @Edward_Alexander said:
    Also, you don’t choose your RAM with iPads, you choose your storage. If you choose the 1 or 2 TB option, you get the 16GB of RAM. There is no other RAM options with those storage choices.

    TBH it’s the storage that’s driving me towards upgrading. I was already running low with 128GB, but Jamuary pretty much finished me off with a load of new videos. So much transferring to iCloud and deleting stuff, and general faffing about. And now my iCloud is filling up! 256 would be tight as I’ve already offloaded a bunch of apps, 512 might just do, but 1TB would be ideal. 2TB is really out of my league.

    If your in the UK you can get the 2TB wifi only ipad pro for the same price as the 1TB! https://www.currys.co.uk/products/apple-12.9-ipad-pro-2022-2-tb-space-grey-10244584.html

    Drat, that only applies to the 12.9, I’m really after an 11, and the 2TB costs more than the 12.9!

    Food for thought, but i suspect the 12.9 would be more prone to damage, and it’s more than I really want to pay.

    Thank you for the tip, though.

    Got mine from John Lewis. Ordered mine at 7pm last night and picked it up at 11am! well packaged as well. also comes with a 2 year guarantee, not bad tbh.

    I got mine from John Lewis as well, specifically for the 2-year guarantee. Mine's a 1TB M1 though.

    The screen is really great, so much so that I've indulged myself watching HDR shows on Netflix and the like with it. In some ways it's actually better than my Sony OLED TV, because the highlights really glow in shows shot in Dolby Vision.

    Yes the screen is a delight and the speed over my 2nd Gen is lighting fast. The only disappointment is the miserly 1m usb c cable.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    I remember reading on this forum that, at the time of release of the 1 and 2 TB ipads, the large ram was a waste of money due to the pretty measly ram allocated per audio unit which had to be shared across all instances of the given AU. Has this changed?

    Particularly keen to hear from ppl using AUM how their experience of the 1 or 2 TB M1 or M2 12.9 Pros compares to their experience of something like the 3rd gen 12.9 Pro

  • SandstormSandstorm

    @Gavinski said:
    I remember reading on this forum that, at the time of release of the 1 and 2 TB ipads, the large ram was a waste of money due to the pretty measly ram allocated per audio unit which had to be shared across all instances of the given AU. Has this changed?

    Particularly keen to hear from ppl using AUM how their experience of the 1 or 2 TB M1 or M2 12.9 Pros compares to their experience of something like the 3rd gen 12.9 Pro

    Will check this out and update you.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @Sandstorm said:

    @Gavinski said:
    I remember reading on this forum that, at the time of release of the 1 and 2 TB ipads, the large ram was a waste of money due to the pretty measly ram allocated per audio unit which had to be shared across all instances of the given AU. Has this changed?

    Particularly keen to hear from ppl using AUM how their experience of the 1 or 2 TB M1 or M2 12.9 Pros compares to their experience of something like the 3rd gen 12.9 Pro

    Will check this out and update you.

    Thanks. A good test might be to see how many instances of a powerful app like, say, drum computer, you can run on your old ipad compared to your new one in AUM. If you have decent Sampler I'd love to know how many instances of the same preset in decent Sampler you can load on each before running out of ram, and whether when you save, close and reload the aum session, you get better performance (instances of DS not loading dead or empty etc) on the new ipad. Cheers!

  • sigma79sigma79
    edited March 2023

    Right.

    I were asking Sugarbytes to just make drum computer work x 7 instance. Saying the dsp in Aum is just 50% but it turns out when you press play. Its 33% for one drum computer.

    If an ipad pro 2tb can be cool with 7 Drum computers ( as a side ipad )

    Excellent.

    Just a bit pricey for a drum machine.

    It is what it is.

    Maybe someone or Sugarbytes will make a module drum computer.

    Dont mind the extra cpu of Factory, apparilo and maybe cyclop though.

    Just needed drum computer to work. Feels like the only drum option for me.

  • supadomsupadom
    edited March 2023

    Nothing is overkill for music production but blowing over 2k on an iPad IMO is.

    I’m riding a pro 11 2nd gen and the furthest it goes is 80%. I’ve been looking at pros 3rd gen with M1 just to have some headroom but that’s like $600 at the most.

    You cold book a nice holiday with the rest of the dosh ;)

  • mjm1138mjm1138

    @Gavinski said:
    I remember reading on this forum that, at the time of release of the 1 and 2 TB ipads, the large ram was a waste of money due to the pretty measly ram allocated per audio unit which had to be shared across all instances of the given AU. Has this changed?

    Particularly keen to hear from ppl using AUM how their experience of the 1 or 2 TB M1 or M2 12.9 Pros compares to their experience of something like the 3rd gen 12.9 Pro

    I haven't tested this, but I think in AUM in particular you will likely run out of DSP before you run out of RAM on a 16GB iPad Pro. The situation is maybe better in Cubasis or other hosts that can do multicore sound processing, and might yield more interesting test results, unless you have specific AUv3's that consume a ton of RAM but not a lot of CPU (maybe a sampler?).

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @mjm1138 said:

    @Gavinski said:
    I remember reading on this forum that, at the time of release of the 1 and 2 TB ipads, the large ram was a waste of money due to the pretty measly ram allocated per audio unit which had to be shared across all instances of the given AU. Has this changed?

    Particularly keen to hear from ppl using AUM how their experience of the 1 or 2 TB M1 or M2 12.9 Pros compares to their experience of something like the 3rd gen 12.9 Pro

    I haven't tested this, but I think in AUM in particular you will likely run out of DSP before you run out of RAM on a 16GB iPad Pro. The situation is maybe better in Cubasis or other hosts that can do multicore sound processing, and might yield more interesting test results, unless you have specific AUv3's that consume a ton of RAM but not a lot of CPU (maybe a sampler?).

    Yes, this is why I asked for Drum Computer (cpu heavy) and Decent Sampler) to be tested.

    Looking at the benchmark data I've seen, I was wondering whether, even just using single core, AUM on the 5th gen 12.9 Pro would be roughly twice as capable in terms of dsp usage as on the 3rd gen.

  • SandstormSandstorm

    @Gavinski said:

    @Sandstorm said:

    @Gavinski said:
    I remember reading on this forum that, at the time of release of the 1 and 2 TB ipads, the large ram was a waste of money due to the pretty measly ram allocated per audio unit which had to be shared across all instances of the given AU. Has this changed?

    Particularly keen to hear from ppl using AUM how their experience of the 1 or 2 TB M1 or M2 12.9 Pros compares to their experience of something like the 3rd gen 12.9 Pro

    Will check this out and update you.

    Thanks. A good test might be to see how many instances of a powerful app like, say, drum computer, you can run on your old ipad compared to your new one in AUM. If you have decent Sampler I'd love to know how many instances of the same preset in decent Sampler you can load on each before running out of ram, and whether when you save, close and reload the aum session, you get better performance (instances of DS not loading dead or empty etc) on the new ipad. Cheers!

    Ok, so I did a short test earlier and these are my findings, btw I don't have drum computer, descent sampler.

    5 instances of Ravenscroft piano, 2 with black hole reverb and mixbox with 4 effects

    1 instance of Nano studio with a string patch

    1 instance of Korg Gadget with 5 different gadgets playing a 4 bar pattern.

    1 instance of Sample Tron with 4 effects loaded

    I set the AUM buffer size down to 32 and sample rate of 48K, couldn't go any higher here as one of the apps was stopping me from using a higher sample rate.

    I noticed the DSP go up to 73% but only when I held my sustain pedal down and played as many notes as I could trying to get the Ipad Pro to choke but it didn't miss a beat. There was no glitching, stuttering, latency or anything. It seemed to cope perfectly with this.

    In contrast my Ipad Pro 2nd Gen would get stressed with one instance of Ravenscroft and playing as fast as I can with full sustain.

  • GavinskiGavinski
    edited March 2023

    @Sandstorm said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Sandstorm said:

    @Gavinski said:
    I remember reading on this forum that, at the time of release of the 1 and 2 TB ipads, the large ram was a waste of money due to the pretty measly ram allocated per audio unit which had to be shared across all instances of the given AU. Has this changed?

    Particularly keen to hear from ppl using AUM how their experience of the 1 or 2 TB M1 or M2 12.9 Pros compares to their experience of something like the 3rd gen 12.9 Pro

    Will check this out and update you.

    Thanks. A good test might be to see how many instances of a powerful app like, say, drum computer, you can run on your old ipad compared to your new one in AUM. If you have decent Sampler I'd love to know how many instances of the same preset in decent Sampler you can load on each before running out of ram, and whether when you save, close and reload the aum session, you get better performance (instances of DS not loading dead or empty etc) on the new ipad. Cheers!

    Ok, so I did a short test earlier and these are my findings, btw I don't have drum computer, descent sampler.

    5 instances of Ravenscroft piano, 2 with black hole reverb and mixbox with 4 effects

    1 instance of Nano studio with a string patch

    1 instance of Korg Gadget with 5 different gadgets playing a 4 bar pattern.

    1 instance of Sample Tron with 4 effects loaded

    I set the AUM buffer size down to 32 and sample rate of 48K, couldn't go any higher here as one of the apps was stopping me from using a higher sample rate.

    I noticed the DSP go up to 73% but only when I held my sustain pedal down and played as many notes as I could trying to get the Ipad Pro to choke but it didn't miss a beat. There was no glitching, stuttering, latency or anything. It seemed to cope perfectly with this.

    In contrast my Ipad Pro 2nd Gen would get stressed with one instance of Ravenscroft and playing as fast as I can with full sustain.

    Sounds good! Well I'll find out for myself shortly as I just got my hands on a second-hand (but totally mint and nearly new) 1TB 2TB 5th gen Pro for a very reasonable price 🤤

  • SandstormSandstorm

    @Gavinski said:

    @Sandstorm said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Sandstorm said:

    @Gavinski said:
    I remember reading on this forum that, at the time of release of the 1 and 2 TB ipads, the large ram was a waste of money due to the pretty measly ram allocated per audio unit which had to be shared across all instances of the given AU. Has this changed?

    Particularly keen to hear from ppl using AUM how their experience of the 1 or 2 TB M1 or M2 12.9 Pros compares to their experience of something like the 3rd gen 12.9 Pro

    Will check this out and update you.

    Thanks. A good test might be to see how many instances of a powerful app like, say, drum computer, you can run on your old ipad compared to your new one in AUM. If you have decent Sampler I'd love to know how many instances of the same preset in decent Sampler you can load on each before running out of ram, and whether when you save, close and reload the aum session, you get better performance (instances of DS not loading dead or empty etc) on the new ipad. Cheers!

    Ok, so I did a short test earlier and these are my findings, btw I don't have drum computer, descent sampler.

    5 instances of Ravenscroft piano, 2 with black hole reverb and mixbox with 4 effects

    1 instance of Nano studio with a string patch

    1 instance of Korg Gadget with 5 different gadgets playing a 4 bar pattern.

    1 instance of Sample Tron with 4 effects loaded

    I set the AUM buffer size down to 32 and sample rate of 48K, couldn't go any higher here as one of the apps was stopping me from using a higher sample rate.

    I noticed the DSP go up to 73% but only when I held my sustain pedal down and played as many notes as I could trying to get the Ipad Pro to choke but it didn't miss a beat. There was no glitching, stuttering, latency or anything. It seemed to cope perfectly with this.

    In contrast my Ipad Pro 2nd Gen would get stressed with one instance of Ravenscroft and playing as fast as I can with full sustain.

    Sounds good! Well I'll find out for myself shortly as I just got my hands on a second-hand (but totally mint and nearly new) 1TB 5th gen Pro for a very reasonable price 🤤

    That's great news! So you'll get the 16GB RAM also? What Ipad are you upgrading from?

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @Sandstorm said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Sandstorm said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Sandstorm said:

    @Gavinski said:
    I remember reading on this forum that, at the time of release of the 1 and 2 TB ipads, the large ram was a waste of money due to the pretty measly ram allocated per audio unit which had to be shared across all instances of the given AU. Has this changed?

    Particularly keen to hear from ppl using AUM how their experience of the 1 or 2 TB M1 or M2 12.9 Pros compares to their experience of something like the 3rd gen 12.9 Pro

    Will check this out and update you.

    Thanks. A good test might be to see how many instances of a powerful app like, say, drum computer, you can run on your old ipad compared to your new one in AUM. If you have decent Sampler I'd love to know how many instances of the same preset in decent Sampler you can load on each before running out of ram, and whether when you save, close and reload the aum session, you get better performance (instances of DS not loading dead or empty etc) on the new ipad. Cheers!

    Ok, so I did a short test earlier and these are my findings, btw I don't have drum computer, descent sampler.

    5 instances of Ravenscroft piano, 2 with black hole reverb and mixbox with 4 effects

    1 instance of Nano studio with a string patch

    1 instance of Korg Gadget with 5 different gadgets playing a 4 bar pattern.

    1 instance of Sample Tron with 4 effects loaded

    I set the AUM buffer size down to 32 and sample rate of 48K, couldn't go any higher here as one of the apps was stopping me from using a higher sample rate.

    I noticed the DSP go up to 73% but only when I held my sustain pedal down and played as many notes as I could trying to get the Ipad Pro to choke but it didn't miss a beat. There was no glitching, stuttering, latency or anything. It seemed to cope perfectly with this.

    In contrast my Ipad Pro 2nd Gen would get stressed with one instance of Ravenscroft and playing as fast as I can with full sustain.

    Sounds good! Well I'll find out for myself shortly as I just got my hands on a second-hand (but totally mint and nearly new) 1TB 5th gen Pro for a very reasonable price 🤤

    That's great news! So you'll get the 16GB RAM also? What Ipad are you upgrading from?

    Yeah all 1tb M1s have 16GB RAM. I'm upgrading from a 3rd gen 2018 iPad Pro. Cpu is usually not much of an issue for me, although definitely some apps push it. But space definitely is so it will be fabulous to now have to think about that any more, at a minimum! Looking forward to seeing whether this allows me to run more Decent Samplers with fewer problems.

  • BenBen

    @Gavinski. Please check back after you’ve put it through the paces.
    I have a 2018 Pro and have been looking to upgrade.
    Not sure if we’re going to get new Pro models this year though.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @Ben said:
    @Gavinski. Please check back after you’ve put it through the paces.
    I have a 2018 Pro and have been looking to upgrade.
    Not sure if we’re going to get new Pro models this year though.

    I certainly will do. I have so many apps that the transfer is taking quite a long time and I'd imagine given my WiFi speed might take a fair few hours but tmrw I'll be raring to test it out and will let you know!

  • GavinskiGavinski
    edited March 2023

    So, I experimented just now, on the 3rd gen 12.9 Pro I am able to reliably get 3 decent samplers with the spellsinger preset running simultaneously. With more than that I started to run into errors - either the system telling me I was put of ram (no other apps etc were open, only aum btw) which made all instances blank, or, on saving and reloading the aum file, either the first instance was invalidated or they all opened dead.

    On the 2TB 5th gen Pro with 16GB of RAM I was able to open more than 6, without running into ram issues, but I still then sometimes had problems with the first instance opening invalidated when I reopened the session etc.

    So definitely an improvement but not a massive one. I'll report back later on how many instances of drum computer I can load, run, and reopen without problems.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    In AUM on the 16GB RAM 5th gen Pro I just checked and can get 21 instances of default preset of drum computer playing simultaneously before there starts to be constant glitching. At around 18 instances there starts to be a glitch while loading a new instance but that glitch resolves immediately after loading. Haven't compared yet to my 3rd gen 12.9 Pro but I'd be surprised if it can get anywhere near that. Will compare later when I'm back home.

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