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GeoShredControl now clashes with other GeoShred apps...
The new GeoShredControl update now has an expensive IAP to get it to work as a AUV3!
I got this while ago and recently spent hours setting it up with SWAM instruments (not the built in ones). I already felt the GeoShredSwam stuff was expensive, but really dislike when existing functionality goes behind an extra paywall and you have to pay more to keep what you've got. I rage deleted it.
If you haven't updated yet... suggest you don't.
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Did it work as an AUv3 for free before the update?
I've had the OG GeoShred for ages and only gotten one IAP for it (Tenor Sax).
But I agree on that existing features going IAP is not a desirable feature and gives a really bad taste...
(This happened to WaveBox as well).
Yes it worked without IAP for AUv3 before. It is now disabled for AUv3 unless you pay for IAP.
So they are blackmailing customers to get back a feature they already had before the update? Not nice.
If this is the case I'm sure customers will leave reviews expressing their, er, feelings...
EDIT: problem fixed - you need to not have both Geoshred Control & GeoshredPro installed on the same device. Thank you dev Pat for solving the problem for us!
The IAP is $38 here. Well, isn't that wonderful...
EDIT: problem fixed - you need to not have both Geoshred Control & GeoshredPro installed on the same device. Thank you dev Pat for solving the problem for us!
LOL, That's even more than the regular GeoShred which is currently at $24.99
AU$38.
EDIT: problem fixed - you need to not have both Geoshred Control & GeoshredPro installed on the same device. Thank you dev Pat for solving the problem for us!
"I'm the Wizard..."
EDIT: problem fixed - you need to not have both Geoshred Control & GeoshredPro installed on the same device. Thank you dev Pat for solving the problem for us!
I'm sure pat from moforte will chime in soon. Those guys have been in this game for a while and know that this kind of thing would go down very badly with customers. I'd imagine it's more a bug or something than a conscious decision to shaft their customers. Looking at the appstore description, the iap seems to be for giving the features of Geoshred Pro and for being able to buy Naada and Swam sounds. Anyway, I'd recommend chilling til Pat pops his head in.
Thats good to hear.
I hope it is just a mistake and not a conscious decision to shaft their customers.
EDIT: problem fixed - you need to not have both Geoshred Control & GeoshredPro installed on the same device. Thank you dev Pat for solving the problem for us!
LOL, What's next a $1 per octave-note and month???
ie. subscribe for $12/Month for 'Everything GeoShred' (All IAP instruments etc.)
Lol @Samu I'm confident enough that this is some kind of mistake and, if it's not, yes someone should definitely eat hat 😂
For £7 a month you can compose in am/C or for just £5 Either Gb major pentatonic or Eb minor
Can confirm that I did just download geo control free version and it only opens in AUM as IAA, it does not appear as AUv3. If indeed that functionality was there before (I have no idea and I would be surprised if it was, in a way) it is definitely not there now.
I’m not sure they would let something as powerful as this be available as an AUv3 for free, but like I say, I never downloaded control before as I bought the pro version.
Yeah, I've had GeoShred Pro from day one and really enjoy playing it.
It was insanely cheap back then, don't remember if it was like $2.99 or something like that.
So far I've bought one IAP for it (Tenor Sax) which I love to jam with.
I've also dug pretty deep in to the physical modeling side of GeoShred and it's deep.
Now we just need more hosts that can properly record & edit the midi-data generated by GeoShred
Time for another developer to pick up on the subject.
I never understood why a controller-only app needs to waste almost half a gigabyte of storage on my iDevice.
It’s the same size as Geoshred pro, so I assume it has the factory presets built in so people can get immediate access to them when they upgrade, but I can definitely see that that would be a turn off for many
I seem to remember trying it with a melotron app or a choir app a few weeks ago... my memory is failing. Maybe some else can confirm if the free version worked as an AUv3...?
EDIT: problem fixed - you need to not have both Geoshred Control & GeoshredPro installed on the same device. Thank you dev Pat for solving the problem for us!
I was definitely using it as auv3 in AUM immediately before the update... and don't get confused with the other GeoShred apps. I was just using the Control app to play external Swam instruments. Now it wants money to get the auv3 feature back...
I'm out of town and will look at this thread in detail when I return this evening. GS Control is a MIDI/MPE Controller and it's free and has been free for some time now. It supports AUv3. The upgrade is for the functionality of Pro: the Guitar Model, Preset editing. Here is a video that I just made of Freshly downloaded GS Control as an AuV3 plugin controlling the SWAM Violin. Note that the instance of GS-Control is an Auv3 MIDI processor because it's a MIDI Controller.
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/54880/geocontrol-now-requires-iap-for-auv3#latest
I will respond to everyone's comments this evening.
-pat
I just installed this app; never had it before. It loads fine as AUv3 in AUM, in either an audio or MIDI channel. Appears to work as expected. Same results in Audiobus.
Which host were you trying it in? And were you using it as a MIDI generator? You might also try restarting your device; that can affect visibility of AUv3s.
I'm using iPadOS 16.3.1 on an iPad 6. This might have something to do with iOS or device versions.
Edit: I just saw the upgrade option in the stand-alone. It sounds to me like the offered AUv3 feature is AUv3 hosting in the upgraded app, not simply using the app as an AUv3 plug-in.
I wouldn't mind if I had gotten the app for free.
I paid the full price though quite a while back so in my humble opinion it just doesn't make sense to pay for AUv3 support again.
I just restarted my device, opened Control first as standalone, then tried to open as a midi AUv3 in AUM. No joy. Maybe it’s an iOS or device specific bug. Anyway, as Pat has clarified, there was no intent in the update to make AUv3 functionality an IAP, so I’m sure this will be sorted. No need for drama. Moforte are great, responsive devs and I’m sure they’ll fix this asap.
Great. Thanks Pat.
This is why I never update my apps anymore. At least not until a few months have passed and no threads have popped up in this forum about it. And even then, I'm probably not gonna update unless its a new feature. I think that at the time you get your ipad, whenever moment in app history that is, you have 1 to 2 years to get as much apps as you want and then just take it offline and consider your trapper keeper complete.
Hi, I've now read all the comments in this thread.
This is not correct. Belldu, I believe that what is happening for you, is that GeoShred Control is not being instanced as an AUv3 MIDI processor. Nothing has changed with GeoShred Control with this latest release. The upgrade of GeoShred Control to the functionality of Pro (Audio Engine, Guitar Model+214 presets, 21 effects units, Preset Editing) has always been in the GeoShred Store since the launch date of GeoShred Control (Jan 24, 2018) and you do not need to purchase this upgrade to be able to use GeoShred Control as an Auv3 MIDI Processor.
Please see this video. It shows directly step-by-step how to setup your use case, GeoShred Control controlling SWAM. There is no need to purchase the upgrade to realize this use case. We did NOT put "existing technology behind a pay wall"
Also with regard to "GeoShredSwam stuff was expensive" please consider comparing the prices of GeoSWAM to SWAM. The GeoSWAM Instruments are $14.99USD each, the Audio Modeling SWAM instruments for iOS are $29.99USD each, the desktop versions can be over $100USD each. So by opting to use GeoShred Control to control the SWAM instruments rather than GeoSWAM you are paying more and your setup integration effort is more complex. As to why these models are expensive from any of the various companies that develop them, each model takes years to develop. It's not like a sample. Because they are physics models they are interactive. They are not a static recording, they are complex physics models for solving the partial differential equations of the modeled instrument. Each model is an instrument and can take years to develop.
With regard to "rage deleting", you might have alternatively gone to GeoShred Control's "Menu> Help> Report a Problem". That would have allowed you to send a report and diagnostic report and we would have been able to solve this quickly. We usually respond within minutes during California working hours.
Finally if you are still having challenges getting it to work, let's do a zoom call. I often do zoom calls to assist customers.
The IAP to upgrade GeoShred Control to the functionality of Pro is $24.99USD the same price as GeoShred Pro. Control+Pro and Pro are identical. You might ask why the IAP can't just convert Control to Pro. That's because Apple does not allow developers to convert one app to another app. That being said, Control+Pro and Pro are identical.
If you are seeing $38 that must be in a non-US territory that uses US dollars (USD) converted to local dollars, like Australia (AUD). Apple allows developers to set the price in their territory (US in our case) and they set the price in 178 different territories often adding in GST, VAT, local government dictated surcharges. The thing to know is that developers do not have any input on the price of an app in different territories, this is dictated by Apple and more importantly by each country's laws around eCommerce. Some of the charges that countries add are significant. You can complain to us and we will listen. We don't think apps should be taxed in any economic theory. It might be more effective to raise your concern with your government.
Finally if anyone on this thread is having this problem, please reach out to me either with "Menu> Help> Report a Problem" or a direct email to [email protected]. I'm willing to setup a zoom call for anyone who is having challenges getting GeoShred Control to work as an Auv3 plugin.
Thanks,
Pat Scandalis, CEO/CTO
moForte inc the developer of GeoShred.
Great detailed response Pat. @belldu Pat pointed out to me that the reason I was seemingly able to replicate your problem was merely that I had Geoshred Pro already installed and if you have both Pro and Control installed, since they both do the same thing when loaded as a midi auv3, the system will only show one of them - hence Pro was showing for me as a midi auv3 but not Control. If I had deleted Pro, Control would have showed as a midi auv3.
+1.
Thank you Pat.
I followed your video step-by-step and still had problems - I couldn't even see GeoShred Control listed in my AUM until I deleted GeoShred Pro from my iPad.
Once I did this I was able to select GeoShred Control and load it into AUM and it worked fine.
I think before the update this might not have been the case - before the update I think you could have both apps, Pro and Control, installed on one device without any clash.
Anyway, thank you for taking the time to investigate and get back to us so quickly.
Thanks, that sounds good but then something else seems to be wrong.
On my old iPad with a previous version of GeoShred Control installed, the AUv3 shows up properly.
On my later iDevice running iOS 16.3.1, the AUv3 isn't even listed under MIDI Processor plugins. (Standalone works.)
Do you have GeoShred Pro also installed on the same device?