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sqsl Puzzle, coming soon… I'd love to hear from people using the other two sqsl apps already

https://www.seqsual.com/puzzle

From the creator of sqsl Latch, and Temp, Puzzle is the next in this series of creative MIDI sequencer apps for iPadOS.

I have sqsl Temp and sqsl Latch, and have struggled to get to grips with the way they function, and the somewhat vague (to me) approach to manuals by sqsl.

I'm not blaming the developer, but rather just wish there was a more traditional PDF manual that I could open and make note on. I always feel like either something is missing, or I am missing something. I admit it is likely the latter. I chuckled that this app is called Puzzle, given that I have found its predecessors to be somewhat of a puzzle. @Gavinski is one of the few I have come across who have got to grips with the sqsl apps family.

If you're successfully using these and looking forward to the release of Puzzle, I'd love to hear from you. If you can shed any light on my stupidity, that light would be more than welcome.

I did recently find a tutorial on the two sqsl apps, but still, I seem to have some kind of mental block, as I had to play it and replay it again and again as I kept losing the thread (the plot!) and having to go back to the beginning.

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  • @andowrites said:

    https://www.seqsual.com/puzzle

    From the creator of sqsl Latch, and Temp, Puzzle is the next in this series of creative MIDI sequencer apps for iPadOS.

    I have sqsl Temp and sqsl Latch, and have struggled to get to grips with the way they function, and the somewhat vague (to me) approach to manuals by sqsl.

    I'm not blaming the developer, but rather just wish there was a more traditional PDF manual that I could open and make note on. I always feel like either something is missing, or I am missing something. I admit it is likely the latter. I chuckled that this app is called Puzzle, given that I have found its predecessors to be somewhat of a puzzle. @Gavinski is one of the few I have come across who have got to grips with the sqsl apps family.

    If you're successfully using these and looking forward to the release of Puzzle, I'd love to hear from you. If you can shed any light on my stupidity, that light would be more than welcome.

    I did recently find a tutorial on the two sqsl apps, but still, I seem to have some kind of mental block, as I had to play it and replay it again and again as I kept losing the thread (the plot!) and having to go back to the beginning.

    I love them both and still intend to do a vid on temp. The terse 'manuals' are certainly not ideal, although they look beautiful. The key is to look at the thing labelled on the bottom of each picture first as that is what shows you which 'tab' is open. If you go to that tab and view what the manual says about it and experiment, you'll definitely get it. Very excited about a new one coming!

  • edited March 2023

    Also, I think if you work through my video on Latch, it will make Temp much more understandable, as the interfaces share a lot of similarities.

  • very original and playful takes on sequencing.
    my only complaint is that LATCH has no save/load...:)
    still waiting for that.

  • @Gavinski said:

    @andowrites said:

    https://www.seqsual.com/puzzle

    From the creator of sqsl Latch, and Temp, Puzzle is the next in this series of creative MIDI sequencer apps for iPadOS.

    I have sqsl Temp and sqsl Latch, and have struggled to get to grips with the way they function, and the somewhat vague (to me) approach to manuals by sqsl.

    I'm not blaming the developer, but rather just wish there was a more traditional PDF manual that I could open and make note on. I always feel like either something is missing, or I am missing something. I admit it is likely the latter. I chuckled that this app is called Puzzle, given that I have found its predecessors to be somewhat of a puzzle. @Gavinski is one of the few I have come across who have got to grips with the sqsl apps family.

    If you're successfully using these and looking forward to the release of Puzzle, I'd love to hear from you. If you can shed any light on my stupidity, that light would be more than welcome.

    I did recently find a tutorial on the two sqsl apps, but still, I seem to have some kind of mental block, as I had to play it and replay it again and again as I kept losing the thread (the plot!) and having to go back to the beginning.

    I love them both and still intend to do a vid on temp. The terse 'manuals' are certainly not ideal, although they look beautiful. The key is to look at the thing labelled on the bottom of each picture first as that is what shows you which 'tab' is open. If you go to that tab and view what the manual says about it and experiment, you'll definitely get it. Very excited about a new one coming!

    Thanks Gav. I've not given up, nor do I intend to. In fact, I will probably buy Puzzle when it launches, because I think he's building beautiful apps, and I will rise to the channel of getting to grips with the approach in the apps. I would love to see at the very least, an in-app manual. That would really help dusty brained people like me.

    Meanwhile, I really hope you'll do that video on Temp soon, and yes, very excited with you about Puzzle. No idea how it differs from the other two, I clearly have a mental block when it comes to some sequencers, something I'm pushing through now, with mKer, and soon, with a little luck, the OP-Z. But these look so gorgeous and minimal, I want to learn my way around them, and how to create great music with them!

  • edited March 2023

    I’ve both apps and I haven’t done a lot with temp because I just don’t get the concept and wait for tutorials, manuals.
    Latch is great. My feature request for latch sounds ironic: An option to switch latching (toggle mode) off. This would allow me to use latch both as a sequencer and a kind of isomorphic controller to chuck some manual improvisation in.

  • @catherder said:
    I’ve both apps and I haven’t done a lot with temp because I just don’t get the concept and wait for tutorials, manuals.
    Latch is great. My feature request for latch sounds ironic: An option to switch latching (toggle mode) off. This would allow me to use latch both as a sequencer and a kind of isomorphic controller to chuck some manual improvisation in.

    That would be good... In the meantime though you can always use two hands, one to turn a step off, another to turn another step on, including in loop mode. Message the dev, he's very friendly and open to feedback!

  • Weirdly, I’ve missed this devs stuff…
    went to site, looked pretty cool
    Went to store, saw $20 price and lack of AUv3
    Tried to find some videos, only really found his stuff that makes it seem basically like an expensive version of stuff like Bram’s Particles and/or PolyPhase

    Am I missing something?

    Why do music devs in the 2020’s STILL ignore AUv3?

  • @MonkeyDrummer said:
    went to site, looked pretty cool
    Went to store, saw $20 price and lack of AUv3

    I have thought about these too but also shy away at that price in case they don't really work out for me. I'd like to see/hear some examples of what can be done with them in particular that stands out.
    Do they have anything more than can be done with mKer, for example? I agree the designs are nice.

  • @Stochastically said:

    @MonkeyDrummer said:
    went to site, looked pretty cool
    Went to store, saw $20 price and lack of AUv3

    I have thought about these too but also shy away at that price in case they don't really work out for me. I'd like to see/hear some examples of what can be done with them in particular that stands out.
    Do they have anything more than can be done with mKer, for example? I agree the designs are nice.

    I think that @Gavinski is the man for the job when it comes to answering these questions.

  • @andowrites said:

    @Stochastically said:

    @MonkeyDrummer said:
    went to site, looked pretty cool
    Went to store, saw $20 price and lack of AUv3

    I have thought about these too but also shy away at that price in case they don't really work out for me. I'd like to see/hear some examples of what can be done with them in particular that stands out.
    Do they have anything more than can be done with mKer, for example? I agree the designs are nice.

    I think that @Gavinski is the man for the job when it comes to answering these questions.

    I just haven't managed to get into mker - don't like the UI. And yes, these give you a million times more control than things like Particles etc - a very enjoyable mix of control vs randomness. My Latch video is an hour long, so definitely enough to get a sense of how it works and whether it would be up your street. Reading the app instructions on the devs site also gives you some sense of what they can and can't do (Temp has a preset saving system now, albeit extremely rudimentary, whereas Latch doesn't).

    As for why these are not auv3, I'd say the main reason is that a) the dev likely does not know how to code an auv3 app b) he basically made them mostly to control his own desktop and hardware synths. Do I wish they were AUv3? Hell yes! Am I prepared to accept they're not AUv3 because I love the look of these and they are very intelligently thought out and enjoyable to use? Yes.

  • edited April 2023

    @MonkeyDrummer said:
    Weirdly, I’ve missed this devs stuff…
    went to site, looked pretty cool
    Went to store, saw $20 price and lack of AUv3
    Tried to find some videos, only really found his stuff that makes it seem basically like an expensive version of stuff like Bram’s Particles and/or PolyPhase

    Am I missing something?

    Why do music devs in the 2020’s STILL ignore AUv3?

    Not every app has to be every thing for everyone. I’m sure they’re not ignoring it, and instead chose not to make it AUV3. Or just haven’t done it yet.

  • @Gavinski said:

    @catherder said:
    I’ve both apps and I haven’t done a lot with temp because I just don’t get the concept and wait for tutorials, manuals.
    Latch is great. My feature request for latch sounds ironic: An option to switch latching (toggle mode) off. This would allow me to use latch both as a sequencer and a kind of isomorphic controller to chuck some manual improvisation in.

    That would be good... In the meantime though you can always use two hands, one to turn a step off, another to turn another step on, including in loop mode. Message the dev, he's very friendly and open to feedback!

    Thanks for the suggestion. I've contacted him and let’s see what happens. Two handed playing is often not an option for me. I need one hand to fiddle with controls, plug cables etc. on the hardware Latch is sequencing.

  • @catherder said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @catherder said:
    I’ve both apps and I haven’t done a lot with temp because I just don’t get the concept and wait for tutorials, manuals.
    Latch is great. My feature request for latch sounds ironic: An option to switch latching (toggle mode) off. This would allow me to use latch both as a sequencer and a kind of isomorphic controller to chuck some manual improvisation in.

    That would be good... In the meantime though you can always use two hands, one to turn a step off, another to turn another step on, including in loop mode. Message the dev, he's very friendly and open to feedback!

    Thanks for the suggestion. I've contacted him and let’s see what happens. Two handed playing is often not an option for me. I need one hand to fiddle with controls, plug cables etc. on the hardware Latch is sequencing.

    You can often get away with one hand, just using fingers to turn one thing on and another off. But yeah, ability to turn off latching would be an easy implementation and I don't think it would eat into Temp's sales. They're definitely different enough in lots of ways.

  • @Gavinski said:

    @catherder said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @catherder said:
    I’ve both apps and I haven’t done a lot with temp because I just don’t get the concept and wait for tutorials, manuals.
    Latch is great. My feature request for latch sounds ironic: An option to switch latching (toggle mode) off. This would allow me to use latch both as a sequencer and a kind of isomorphic controller to chuck some manual improvisation in.

    That would be good... In the meantime though you can always use two hands, one to turn a step off, another to turn another step on, including in loop mode. Message the dev, he's very friendly and open to feedback!

    Thanks for the suggestion. I've contacted him and let’s see what happens. Two handed playing is often not an option for me. I need one hand to fiddle with controls, plug cables etc. on the hardware Latch is sequencing.

    You can often get away with one hand, just using fingers to turn one thing on and another off. But yeah, ability to turn off latching would be an easy implementation and I don't think it would eat into Temp's sales. They're definitely different enough in lots of ways.

    Good news: Miso, the dev, came back to me. He agrees that this is a good suggestion and something very likely not difficult to implement. He will see to make it part of the next Latch update.

  • @catherder said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @catherder said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @catherder said:
    I’ve both apps and I haven’t done a lot with temp because I just don’t get the concept and wait for tutorials, manuals.
    Latch is great. My feature request for latch sounds ironic: An option to switch latching (toggle mode) off. This would allow me to use latch both as a sequencer and a kind of isomorphic controller to chuck some manual improvisation in.

    That would be good... In the meantime though you can always use two hands, one to turn a step off, another to turn another step on, including in loop mode. Message the dev, he's very friendly and open to feedback!

    Thanks for the suggestion. I've contacted him and let’s see what happens. Two handed playing is often not an option for me. I need one hand to fiddle with controls, plug cables etc. on the hardware Latch is sequencing.

    You can often get away with one hand, just using fingers to turn one thing on and another off. But yeah, ability to turn off latching would be an easy implementation and I don't think it would eat into Temp's sales. They're definitely different enough in lots of ways.

    Good news: Miso, the dev, came back to me. He agrees that this is a good suggestion and something very likely not difficult to implement. He will see to make it part of the next Latch update.

    Excellent!

  • @Gavinski said:

    I just haven't managed to get into mker - don't like the UI.

    I haven't tried mKer yet either but I agree with you about the UI. After seeing your Latch video I agree their UI is much more pleasing.
    Actually I wonder if the mKer dev just improved the color scheme subtly it would help clarifying it and also be more appealing.

  • @Stochastically said:

    @Gavinski said:

    I just haven't managed to get into mker - don't like the UI.

    I haven't tried mKer yet either but I agree with you about the UI. After seeing your Latch video I agree their UI is much more pleasing.
    Actually I wonder if the mKer dev just improved the color scheme subtly it would help clarifying it and also be more appealing.

    Yes, that would be a great request, for sure

  • @Stochastically said:

    @Gavinski said:

    I just haven't managed to get into mker - don't like the UI.

    I haven't tried mKer yet either but I agree with you about the UI. After seeing your Latch video I agree their UI is much more pleasing.
    Actually I wonder if the mKer dev just improved the color scheme subtly it would help clarifying it and also be more appealing.

    I could see that. I haven’t had any issues personally but it would be a small thing that could help many.

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