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Apematrix/Apesoft Send midi module... any users
I was mucking about with ApeSoft's Send midi module last night and found it a bit puzzling. Anyone familiar with its workings, and if so -- is there something similar in AUM? I read TFM but didn't get too far with it...
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It appears as a separate Midi AU plug-in in AUM.
There are a few bonus AU plugins that get installed with ApeMatrix that appear in other hosts.
Is that what you meant, or were you asking for guidance on actually using the Send Midi plug-in?
Thanks, yeah, I was trying figure them out last nightt. I was able to get midi values to go in one side and emerge from the other side modulated... but wasn't entirely sure how or why to employ it. If you are't using the xy pads, I think they are supposed to be a simple way of modulating midi values. The xy pads... are they intended to introduce chaos? Which wouldn't be a problem, just curious.
I gottta post a picture now if only for the reason that ApeMatrix is one fine looking-app in addition to everything else. I mean, just look at it.
To activate the LFOs (and this is well hidden!):
I think this app is for sending CC type messages to change parameters in another app.
The main screen works like a bunch of knobs, the X/Y pad controls 2 CCs at the same time, and you can use a built in LFO to send out continuously changing values.
I don’t think you need to have midi going into this, unless you are trying to trigger the LFO.
I didn't ever think this was meant to alter midi going through it, but to generate midi from the LFOs and pads. But maybe I missed something.
@cracklepot & @wim. Aha, that sounds right and is likely at the heart of my confusion. I was assuming they were a kind of buss.
Could be interesting if it does mess with CC's passing through it though. I might have to give that a try.
I thought it was a bus also because of the name and never even looked at it until @wim clued me in on some distant thread a while back.
It’s incredibly useful for a semi-hidden free bonus app.
@Wim and @Cracklepot, you both steered me right. It doesn't modulate incoming midi signals, but provide the xy pads that let you modulate several parameters of plugins using one control. Like the snapshot pad, also seen in iVCS. I missed the similarity.
Another mistake I made earlier was connecting the send midi directly to the plug-in I wanted to control, instead of to the host's midi in. That wasn't working.
I had been trying to figure out how to increase the values of 2 or more controls of a plug in a controlled way, and this solves the problem exactly.
Does anyone know the significance of the "S" by pad 4's coordinates, seen below? I appreciate the education, , many thanks...
There are only two coordinates, vertical and horizontal. The icons are maybe a little misleading. Each pad controls the two dials that it's icon is in-between. Horizontal controls the one on the left, vertical controls the one on the right. If you look closely you can see the dials changing in the background behind the grid.
Right. If I suggested otherwise, I misspoke. You can really only map two coordinates on a 2d plane, speaking generally, AFAIK
My first thought as well. If you need a buss, Streambyter will be at your service.
Heard about it, will have to look into it. I was under the impression that it overlaps w/ the functionality of Mozaic, is that right?
It overlaps in that it's a programmable MIDI processor with a few controls but that's about where the similarity ends.
Pro Mozaic:
Pro Streambyter:
I shall have to look into it, then...
If the ape matrix wizards are still following this, other questions: what are the two Greek letters that appear at the left side of the LFO input panels? They noticeably react to touch, but I don’t see any changes occurring in the various values displayed there.
Also, I spent a ridiculous amount of time into the Wii morning hours trying to nail what I thought would be a fairly straightforward thing, which is using the audio send modules in a way that makes perfect sense.. I think I’ve started to got a handle on it but I’m not ready to claim absolute victory. Is there video or some other available resource about these? Thanks.
On a barely related note, I have slowed my frenzied app purchases, as much as humanly possible, because of the sheer amount of money I think was spending. This gives me a chance to go back and actually learn the ones I picked up. I must say sparkle is another great Italian app. The way it turns perfectly lovely string sounds into terrifying spasms of noise you would expect from outtakes of Susperia… awesome. I think with the name Sparkle, I didn’t expect this level of sonic horror might be produced
The brilliance of the omnipresent LFOs in the ApeSoft and Amazing Noises creations should really make a believer out of anyone who questions the necessity of AM in a world gone AUM, if I may go on for a moment.
I'm reminded of cartoons from my childhood, when violence was essential to cartoon plots, in which cartoon cats who wanted to flatten a mouse wouldn't have to go to any trouble to obtain a needed mallet. One was always there, just out of frame, to be grabbed in an instant and put to troubling use.
The LFOs lurking almost everywhere beneath the surface of these apps provide the user a similar power. Need a potentially dangerous tool for your tunes? It's right there. Two taps away. Just reach out and grab it, why waste an opportunity like that, when it comes with near-zero cost. (Which isn't to say they can't produce lovely results too, of course...)
Yeah, I do sometimes wish I had settled on ape matrix rather than aum for this very reason, and am sometimes tempted to make the switch. The inbuilt hi res lfos are truly a killer feature.
Great question. I found this in the Ape Matrix Manual:
Thank you! That’s useful to know
Great answer! I should have applied the LFOs to sine waves, maybe I would have heard the change. But sure enough, if you want to sync the lfo's you can do it there. You don't have to disable the master LFO in the settings side panel, which would have been an awkward method.
The user guide is so brief, still I guess the time I went thru it I missed that explanation. So now as I revisit the manual, it again brings equal parts clarity and new uncertainty. E.g., I don't follow the directions for midi learn -- although I may not have entirely gotten that procedure right in AUM, because I still have uncertainties about that too. But in this case, I don't think there is an explanation. All I saw was an assertion that it works.
Also, between the midi control tab and the LFO tab, there is an x/y scrub control, along with a brief description. I read it a few times, but did not get the result I was expecting and hoping for when I tried to put it to use.
On the bright side, I was able to route midi successfully between matrices for the first time, but that was largely thru trial and error.
The road is rocky, but usually worth the injuries suffered in gettting to know this app.
I need to watch daveypoo's videos, and seek out additional explanatory material. My problem is I spend too much time mucking about, trying to get things to work by trial and error, but after a couple of hours -- especially when it's nearly morning -- my jabbing and prodding of dials and knobs exhibits no more rhyme and reason level than random jerks and twitches.
I don’t understand what you’re referring to here.
[edit] oh I guess you’re referring to the “Y Axis Scrub” control? What that does is allow you to control parameters by moving your finger vertically on the on screen keyboard. Try it. Pick a parameter and enable the y scrub. Open the app UI and the keyboard. Now slide your finger up and down on a key. You should see the control move in the app.
The other two buttons to the left of the y scrub let you use the device’s accelerometer. Yup, you can control parameters by tilting your device up and down and side to side. 😎