Drambo or GR-16?

cokomairena

@geremy said:
So full disclaimer I don’t have Drambo. I do love beepstreet apps though. The reason I don’t have it is at least in all the videos I have seen I find the interface so drab and uninspiring. I’m not sure exactly what it is about it, but I haven’t been able to click the buy button because of it.

On the other hand, I love Jim Audio’s stuff. That began with Pure Acid, but continued into GR. It just looks like it’s calling me to come use it. And like pure acid, it sounds phenomenal as well.

I’m sure Drambo is excellent, as all of their apps are, but for a groovebox, GR is the absolute best. Even the IAP packs are awesome. Like if I’m bringing an app to a small party, I’m bringing groove rider.

Take a look at my channel. I was exactly where you are now, loving gr16, i still love it, but I don’t use it. Look

I was all gr16

Then I tried experimenting more with ns2, i made a lot of music with gadget

Then I gave drambo a chance:

Notice I kept using gr16 for the drums, but triggered by drambos sequencer.

I changed because drambo 2 had scenes and i could personalize my sends and use my auv3

Fully disclosure I use FL Studio Mobile now 🤣

But drambo is a must, take a reqd at the first page of the manual to understand how it routes tho.

sigma79

Theres probably not a drum machine in the world as mad as Drambo.

I literally fell on my ipad making drum. As it probably shows.

Its just 5 drum sounds. A sub bass. No effort in adding steps or probabilty. No midi control yet.

Just a sound quality check. Sends/compressor.

I gained swing per track.

Not really bothered you cant p-lock fac drum.

5 drum tracks. I got 5 spare. An aum on same ipad with thermo/mononoke etc.

The ipad shown is 12 bleass voices with effects. 6 synths. Stems of thermo etc.

Then another ipad just for sample making with beatcutter etc.

Drambos and aums recieved in a Drambo.

Think I might quit. Overwhelming.

sigma79

How to add more tracks.

Theres a universe of sound.

Tbh. I just test apps to see for madness.

Then maybe chill out a bit.

So more tracks maybe.

Tbh scatterbrain does the work.

Seems maybe you can make drums from nothing. Then redo drums ( sequencer/arrangment wise )

rs2000

@reezygle Perfect, thanks!

@geremy All good if you're happy with Groove Rider. I've spent a lot of time with it before Drambo and it's a great app, no question. It also syncs great with hardware over MIDI clock which isn't very common in iOS apps.

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cokomairena

@tja said:
@cokomairena Your showcasing of videos is impressive, but I would like to read more about what did make you drop nanostudio 2 and then, what did FLSM gave you compared to Drambo! 😅🤗

lack of timeline in the case of drambo

lack of audio tracks and auv3 automation in the case of ns2

FLSM it's limited, but I can always use external instruments, record them and import them as audio, the midi editor is nice, the keyboard expands super nicely, you can open it as slide over or share the screen with midi controllers or drambo and you can save your projects in one file that contains everything.

And also I can also export and mix or master in another app.

My current workflow is to make a beat on flsm and record vocals on garage band as the FLSM autotune is very lacking, yes I prefer it over logic for some reason. If I ever finnish something I can always open the GB project with logic.

Kewe_Esse

@rs2000 said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
How about both? Afterall, if my dusty memory serves proper, GR-16 can be hosted in Drambo as an AUv3. 🤫 Shhh, don't give away the secret.

Indeed, and there's a good reason to do that: To add sampling from live or streamed audio to GR-16! 😊
Add Flexi on a track above GR-16 and sample something in Flexi.
In GR-16, hit WAVE => Samples => Import Samples and drag and drop the sample from Flexi to the GR-16 folder, then select it.
The Flexi sample will now be the new oscillator waveform in Groove Rider.

Wow thank you for that!

rs2000

@Kewe_Esse said:

@rs2000 said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
How about both? Afterall, if my dusty memory serves proper, GR-16 can be hosted in Drambo as an AUv3. 🤫 Shhh, don't give away the secret.

Indeed, and there's a good reason to do that: To add sampling from live or streamed audio to GR-16! 😊
Add Flexi on a track above GR-16 and sample something in Flexi.
In GR-16, hit WAVE => Samples => Import Samples and drag and drop the sample from Flexi to the GR-16 folder, then select it.
The Flexi sample will now be the new oscillator waveform in Groove Rider.

Wow thank you for that!

Enjoy!
It's one of the less obvious features for sure.

cokomairena

@rs2000 said:

@Kewe_Esse said:

@rs2000 said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
How about both? Afterall, if my dusty memory serves proper, GR-16 can be hosted in Drambo as an AUv3. 🤫 Shhh, don't give away the secret.

Indeed, and there's a good reason to do that: To add sampling from live or streamed audio to GR-16! 😊
Add Flexi on a track above GR-16 and sample something in Flexi.
In GR-16, hit WAVE => Samples => Import Samples and drag and drop the sample from Flexi to the GR-16 folder, then select it.
The Flexi sample will now be the new oscillator waveform in Groove Rider.

Wow thank you for that!

Enjoy!
It's one of the less obvious features for sure.

I thoughts i knew gr16 completely

reezygle

@rs2000 said:
@reezygle Perfect, thanks!

@geremy All good if you're happy with Groove Rider. I've spent a lot of time with it before Drambo and it's a great app, no question. It also syncs great with hardware over MIDI clock which isn't very common in iOS apps.

I just submitted a bug report including a video and the Drambo project with all my iPad info. I hope this helps.

HotStrange

@reezygle said:
A little late to the game here but I use GR-16 in live performance all the time. It is very stable and I think the audio quality is better than Drambo. I've had Drambo crackle many many times during performance (on an M1 ipad pro).

One nice thing about GR-16 is the fact that it is all in one and does not support AUs. When you bring in AU instruments/processors/etc. into a live performance you are at the mercy of the quality of the AUs you are using. Yes it's limiting but that's a strength to me. If you really need to bring in an AU, use GR-16 AU in AUM and bring in the other AU instruments and midi effects in other channels in AUM. That does it for me.

Like Drambo, GR-16 is also great for sound design with plenty of options for processing, modulations, and effects. In a live set up, I use GR-16 along with a few hardware synths as well.

I love Drambo too and use it a lot but I wouldn't trust it in a live session.

I love and use both, but haven’t had any issues with Drambo personally. I do agree that GR-16 is a better performance instrument and is my personal favorite of the 2. Drambo is AMAZING for what it is in that it can be anything you want, but sometimes a simple all on one page app like Grooverider is perfect.

HotStrange

For me, they’re equal. Drambo can do and be everything and that’s amazing. It’s a programming marvel. But as a groovebox, I think GR-16 wins. It feels like I’m using a hardware groovebox which isn’t easy to replicate on an iPad.

I wouldn’t want to be without either one though.

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iphone7
https://youtube.com/shorts/-i8MEp3eCHU?si=yveiagfqn8rUjlBR
if BAM will run on thei phone, I would buy

andowrites

@szczyp said:
iphone7
https://youtube.com/shorts/-i8MEp3eCHU?si=yveiagfqn8rUjlBR
if BAM will run on thei phone, I would buy

BAM will never be made for iPhone. Imaginando have already made that clear, due to the complexity of the interface (from their point of view — although if Drambo can do it…)

[Deleted User]

@andowrites said:

@szczyp said:
iphone7
https://youtube.com/shorts/-i8MEp3eCHU?si=yveiagfqn8rUjlBR
if BAM will run on thei phone, I would buy

BAM will never be made for iPhone. Imaginando have already made that clear, due to the complexity of the interface (from their point of view — although if Drambo can do it…)

Im sure Imaginando do BAM universal, and also projects fluid switching like GR-16 patterns, because they know its super inportant to have such options to be competitive. They have all knowhow and enthusiasm, inspiration.

Question only when and in which one reality

taeo

@andowrites said:

@rs2000 said:
Exactly. Templates are everything when using Drambo as a quick sketchbook.

I've used GR16 a lot before but Drambo's sequencer and clip launcher are more efficient for me now, plus the ability to sample and record audio inside the app.

This sounds like just the ticket!

One question, where, besides YouTube videos, will I find the best resources for learning Drambo, especially in an ambient context?

I've already watched some of @echoopera's videos, and they're so helpful, and I know there's a guy called Ben something or other, but I'm not sure who would be best to focus on for learning. Also, as I actually learn well from written word as well as video, is there a particular book, ebook, manual, or online resource that I would find helpful, especially, once again, in a new beginners context, and also from an ambient point of view?

I wish SynthDawg would create a Drambo handbook. I have his OP-Z notebook, it's great.

I have to admit that I find myself wanting the answer to be Drambo, and to finally find a strong enough motivation to learn it. I guess I've always been afraid I would try and fail to learn, and that the tech would get in the way of the music.

Ben Richards, Ugky Balaclava. .Gravitas, EchoOpera, The Man Should Not Speak. Alchemy Nuero, Child of The Corn Dog, Gravitas, and the beepstreet forum

cokomairena

@szczyp said:

@andowrites said:

@szczyp said:
iphone7
https://youtube.com/shorts/-i8MEp3eCHU?si=yveiagfqn8rUjlBR
if BAM will run on thei phone, I would buy

BAM will never be made for iPhone. Imaginando have already made that clear, due to the complexity of the interface (from their point of view — although if Drambo can do it…)

Im sure Imaginando do BAM universal, and also projects fluid switching like GR-16 patterns, because they know its super inportant to have such options to be competitive. They have all knowhow and enthusiasm, inspiration.

Question only when and in which one reality

imposible to have fluid project switch suppoting AUv3

edit: I guess you could preload a whole new project, but is it worth it to even try?

if you are not using AUv3 just load two BAMs and mix them

bleep

@andowrites said:

@rs2000 said:
Exactly. Templates are everything when using Drambo as a quick sketchbook.

I've used GR16 a lot before but Drambo's sequencer and clip launcher are more efficient for me now, plus the ability to sample and record audio inside the app.

This sounds like just the ticket!

One question, where, besides YouTube videos, will I find the best resources for learning Drambo, especially in an ambient context?

I've already watched some of @echoopera's videos, and they're so helpful, and I know there's a guy called Ben something or other, but I'm not sure who would be best to focus on for learning. Also, as I actually learn well from written word as well as video, is there a particular book, ebook, manual, or online resource that I would find helpful, especially, once again, in a new beginners context, and also from an ambient point of view?

I wish SynthDawg would create a Drambo handbook. I have his OP-Z notebook, it's great.

I have to admit that I find myself wanting the answer to be Drambo, and to finally find a strong enough motivation to learn it. I guess I've always been afraid I would try and fail to learn, and that the tech would get in the way of the music.

In an ambient context, and if you have Gauss or Enso, perhaps you could learn some Drambo by peeking into these two patches mentioned here:
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/57969/enso-gauss-x4-drambo-patches
They don’t use Drambo oscillator synthesis, but you could learn some about routings, connections, layers, morphs, etc.

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@cokomairena said:

@szczyp said:

@andowrites said:

@szczyp said:
iphone7
https://youtube.com/shorts/-i8MEp3eCHU?si=yveiagfqn8rUjlBR
if BAM will run on thei phone, I would buy

BAM will never be made for iPhone. Imaginando have already made that clear, due to the complexity of the interface (from their point of view — although if Drambo can do it…)

Im sure Imaginando do BAM universal, and also projects fluid switching like GR-16 patterns, because they know its super inportant to have such options to be competitive. They have all knowhow and enthusiasm, inspiration.

Question only when and in which one reality

imposible to have fluid project switch suppoting AUv3

edit: I guess you could preload a whole new project, but is it worth it to even try?

if you are not using AUv3 just load two BAMs and mix them

I see and you are right!

Now I’m thinking BAM vs Zenbeats on iPad Pro 4-th resources: Zenbeats have unlimited length of midi audio clips, track count, but possibly more heavy and less responsive? BAM faster/simpler/easier? I have already Zenbeats and like it (when used). Beta if BAM is also nice to use. The same with GR-16, but most often Drambo, almost everyday. IMO all of this tools are important to have and use in depend of need.

cokomairena

@szczyp said:

@cokomairena said:

@szczyp said:

@andowrites said:

@szczyp said:
iphone7
https://youtube.com/shorts/-i8MEp3eCHU?si=yveiagfqn8rUjlBR
if BAM will run on thei phone, I would buy

BAM will never be made for iPhone. Imaginando have already made that clear, due to the complexity of the interface (from their point of view — although if Drambo can do it…)

Im sure Imaginando do BAM universal, and also projects fluid switching like GR-16 patterns, because they know its super inportant to have such options to be competitive. They have all knowhow and enthusiasm, inspiration.

Question only when and in which one reality

imposible to have fluid project switch suppoting AUv3

edit: I guess you could preload a whole new project, but is it worth it to even try?

if you are not using AUv3 just load two BAMs and mix them

I see and you are right!

Now I’m thinking BAM vs Zenbeats on iPad Pro 4-th resources: Zenbeats have unlimited length of midi audio clips, track count, but possibly more heavy and less responsive? BAM faster/simpler/easier? I have already Zenbeats and like it (when used). Beta if BAM is also nice to use. The same with GR-16, but most often Drambo, almost everyday. IMO all of this tools are important to have and use in depend of need.

Yeah, its like arguing what’s better a guitar or a piano, they are just different instruments

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☝️👍yes!

wim

@cokomairena said:

@szczyp said:

@cokomairena said:

@szczyp said:

@andowrites said:

@szczyp said:
iphone7
https://youtube.com/shorts/-i8MEp3eCHU?si=yveiagfqn8rUjlBR
if BAM will run on thei phone, I would buy

BAM will never be made for iPhone. Imaginando have already made that clear, due to the complexity of the interface (from their point of view — although if Drambo can do it…)

Im sure Imaginando do BAM universal, and also projects fluid switching like GR-16 patterns, because they know its super inportant to have such options to be competitive. They have all knowhow and enthusiasm, inspiration.

Question only when and in which one reality

imposible to have fluid project switch suppoting AUv3

edit: I guess you could preload a whole new project, but is it worth it to even try?

if you are not using AUv3 just load two BAMs and mix them

I see and you are right!

Now I’m thinking BAM vs Zenbeats on iPad Pro 4-th resources: Zenbeats have unlimited length of midi audio clips, track count, but possibly more heavy and less responsive? BAM faster/simpler/easier? I have already Zenbeats and like it (when used). Beta if BAM is also nice to use. The same with GR-16, but most often Drambo, almost everyday. IMO all of this tools are important to have and use in depend of need.

Yeah, its like arguing what’s better a guitar or a piano, they are just different instruments

That's no argument though. Everyone knows guitar is better.
So the only real question is, which app is the most like a guitar?

rs2000

@wim said:

@cokomairena said:

@szczyp said:

@cokomairena said:

@szczyp said:

@andowrites said:

@szczyp said:
iphone7
https://youtube.com/shorts/-i8MEp3eCHU?si=yveiagfqn8rUjlBR
if BAM will run on thei phone, I would buy

BAM will never be made for iPhone. Imaginando have already made that clear, due to the complexity of the interface (from their point of view — although if Drambo can do it…)

Im sure Imaginando do BAM universal, and also projects fluid switching like GR-16 patterns, because they know its super inportant to have such options to be competitive. They have all knowhow and enthusiasm, inspiration.

Question only when and in which one reality

imposible to have fluid project switch suppoting AUv3

edit: I guess you could preload a whole new project, but is it worth it to even try?

if you are not using AUv3 just load two BAMs and mix them

I see and you are right!

Now I’m thinking BAM vs Zenbeats on iPad Pro 4-th resources: Zenbeats have unlimited length of midi audio clips, track count, but possibly more heavy and less responsive? BAM faster/simpler/easier? I have already Zenbeats and like it (when used). Beta if BAM is also nice to use. The same with GR-16, but most often Drambo, almost everyday. IMO all of this tools are important to have and use in depend of need.

Yeah, its like arguing what’s better a guitar or a piano, they are just different instruments

That's no argument though. Everyone knows guitar is better.
So the only real question is, which app is the most like a guitar?

Drambo. You can customize it to death.