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Rozeta Scaler produces stuck notes
I have tried to route the pigments AU into scaler, but sadly then i get stuck notes.
Anyone here with similar experiences in AuM?
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Never. I haven't used pigments AU though. Do you get stuck notes in any other apps?
Are you changing scales while there are notes still playing? That's a recipe for stuck notes in almost any app. Scaler should deal with it cleanly, but maybe not.
It might be worth checking the pigments output with a midi monitor to see if there's anything odd going on. Some apps send Note-On/Velocity Zero rather than Note-Off, but that's legal MIDI. I'd be surprised if Scaler chokes on that, but it could be possible.
Some apps send out a lot of extra note off's or don't always send everything in order. Checking in a midi monitor might shed some light on any cause such as that. You should see clean Note-On / Note-Off messages in-order and each paired with one another.
The app you're sending to can be important too. If you get stuck notes in one app but not another, that narrows things down.
I’m not clear on your chain. So you are midi sequencing Pigments on the Mac from AUM on the iPad and using Rozeta Scaler to scale lock the notes? What midi sequencer are you using? Did you know Pigments has its own scale lock function? https://downloads.arturia.net/products/pigments/manual/pigments_Manual_2_0_EN.pdf#page139
I read it the other way around Pigments AU midi out > Rozeta Scaler > Some other App?
Def would be good to have some more detail.
Oh... sorry so much for the confusion. I accidently typed pigments (synth) but meant PARTICLES from the rozeta sequencer suite.
So i made a MIDI Channel in AUM with Particles -> Scaler -> MIDI Out to NanoStudio2 Virtual
This runs fine so far, but after a few seconds notes getting stuck and i have to press the panic button in NS2, until the next stuck notes appear...
When i route particles (or cells or any other MIDI AU) directly to the MIDI NS2 virtual out, there is no problem at all.
The scaler does something that i can use in a beautyful harmonic context. Its just amazing what soundscapes can be done that way - and if the scaler would let go all Note-Off commands thru, even better... ;-)
Hi all!
Stuck notes between rozeta scaler and NS2 I already had indeed. Both in AUM and AB3. I thought it was a NS2 problem, because scaler is mostly reliable
...im afraid thats the case. When i plug scaler into the Obsidians MIDI Slot, the issue also exits.
But i wonder how NS2 can be the problem; it is so reliable even when i play it as wild and fast as possible with my keyboard.
Think i have to search for a workaround... NS2-Obsidian is still my favourite multi timbral super synth :-)
If you have Mozaic, maybe try https://patchstorage.com/simple-scaler/. It may not work or even be worse, but it’s worth a try.
I’ll see if I can try a few things now that the setup is more clear.
Can you clarify why you need to send Particles through Scaler when Particles has its own scales?
Hey @brambos if you’re out there - I can see with a midi monitor that when running Rozeta Particles into Rozeta Scaler, at some point note on and note off messages get out of order, which is causing stuck notes.
This works.
Super odd. Never seen that happen before. Let me look into it!
Thanks for the heads up
First, the transpose settings are (to me) easier to use in scaler. And then - but its pure subjective and i cant actually proove it - the "filtering" with scaler leads to more musical/harmonic results then from particles itself.
I have mosaic but never really payed much attention to its capabilities. I will try it!! The script looks promising to me, especially the four preset banks!! :-))
It doesn’t have all of scaler’s capabilities, but it’s pretty handy.
Wow that was fast! 😎
You might need a double note filter.
I ran particles through Simple Scaler out to NS2 Obsidian at various settings for more than an hour with no stuck notes.
The messages in your pic all appear to be in the correct order; time increasing down the screen. Only problem is the relatively poor time resolution (seconds?).
Thats interesting... i use an ipad mini 3 (it does handle all my needs at around 60% dsp at maximum)... so, very interesting that i get stuck notes and you dont.
What iOS version are you running on your Mini?
Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear. I do get stuck notes running Particles through Rozeta Scaler out to Obsidian in NS2. Consistently and almost immediately. That's why I escalated the issue to @Brambos.
What I was saying is if I replace Rozeta Scaler with the Simple Scaler Rozeta script, I don't get stuck notes at all. Not because I recommend that workaround, but because it seems to confirm that the issue is with Rozeta Scaler.
Are you saying that you've tried replacing Rozeta Scaler with Mozaic/Simple Scaler and you are still getting stuck notes?
Well, pic or not, Particles > Rozeta Scaler > NS2 Obsidian consistently produces stuck notes. I don't know the cause but it's 100% reproducible. When I replaced Rozeta Scaler with another plugin doing roughly the same thing, the stuck notes went away. That was the extent of my testing and all I plan to do at this point.
I see @wim reproduced the issue. Please disregard my question.
Ok, I'm looking into this now.
I can reproduce it:
So, it seems that the MIDI sent out by Scaler is ok, but it gets jumbled as soon as it leaves AUM to an external MIDI app. A bigger buffer means there is a higher chance that messages get jumbled, because there are more messages in a single buffer.
I'm not sure Scaler is the root cause of the issue, but I'll see if there's an easy workaround.
Edit: update with workaround sent to the AppStore. Let's hope this works around all causes of the issue.
@brambos - Workin’ great for me so far. 😎👍
Insta crash if I touch the output transpose slider though.
[edit] input transpose too now.
[edit 2] reboot didn’t fix it. IPad Air 2 iOS 15.7.5
Ugh. not sure what happened there. I didn't even touch that part of the code*
Fixed. Update incoming
*lol, well clearly I did, but probably over two years ago when I last worked on Scaler _facepalm_
Wow, that was fast!!! I will try ist, thank you very much. Good to see developers taking care so much.