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thesoundtestroom video for iSymphonic Orchestra, Some New Info from the Dev
From a personal point of view I like it, it does what it does very well. And I think at a lower price point many more people would buy it. If you like to use orchestral strings in your projects then its worth it, because if its played right and mixed right it would be hard to tell the difference beetween this and the real thing.
http://www.thesoundtestroom.com/apps/isymphonic-orchestra/
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...and here is the app playing a MIDI file through Cubasis.
Great playing Doug, thanks!
Thanks, and I like the midi file above
Thanks Doug for another great vid. It plays very well using IAA and virtual MIDI but as you say, you can play app this with so much expression when using an external keyboard. Although, I can achieve quite convincing results using the keyboard inside Cubasis - playing hard and soft velocity depending on key position. Either that is new or I missed that Cubasis has this.
@thesoundtestroom said:
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Thanks for the vid, Doug but I've heard nothing so far from this app that convinces me to pay £38. To me it's no more convincing than Garageband's Smart Strings (and that's a tenth of the price and offers so much more!).
I think I must be misunderstanding iSymphonic's purpose and/or missing vital technical info regarding how best to 'play' it. For example, is articulation affected by velocity, after touch, etc.? Too little info for such a substantial price ticket.
Hmmm. Thanks Doug for that video. Well done. Much appreciated. Much better sense of the dynamics from that. :-) - and yes it sounds better when through some reverb.
So, not really a symphonic orchestra then - no woodwinds - no percussion? - No separation of the brass - "mixed in" you say?
Can the voices be separated out onto different MIDI channels to orchestrate a complete piece via IAA with individual instrument dymanics? I'm still not seeing how I would use this - even via IAA in Cubasis to orchestrate anything except laboriously one instrument at a time across keyboard ranges - maybe - and then not a complete orchestra and definitely not a symphony.
Am I missing something? I want to like this but I'm still not yet. :-/ If it was $10 or so I might buy it and have a look - see what could be done with it. Hard to justify $55 on it IMO - (and - no I'm not griping about the money to devs when they put in great work - I have a number of the higher-cost apps like Cubasis and Auria - worth every penny).
Exactly my sentiments on a personal level, I think at areound the $10 mark this would shift a lot, many people would like a realistic string section, but not many use it enough to warrant the current price, although its none of my business what devs charge for their work, and there is no mix for the brass section. @Washboy I get were your coming from but GB's Smart Strings is a little different as it plays itself really, and yes GB is a fraction of the cost but Apple can afford the hit of development costs against sales of GB.
I honestly think its a great app, but I don't think I would have paid the price. And I also believe that if the app was like 6.99 everyone would saying how great it was, and it would shift.
Great demo. If this was cheaper I can see it doing very well, but the pricing is going to severely restrict its market. Or if it offered more than just strings, it would justify its price more.
@thesoundtestroom 6.99? chuckle chuckle... I paid 13.99 for the Miroslav IAP in ST.
@Trueyorky It would be interesting to put up a comparison of Miroslav vs. this app, one with minimal reverb so we can hear the finer details of the quality.
@Coloobar well I loaded several apps - Miroslav, Music Studio etc., and I found the expression and sounds from iSymphonic to be way above the others.
Do you have the midi file anywhere it can be shared?
The app is good but is limited to sections rather than individual instruments though you can get some individual instruments at lower velocity hits. It is fairly expressive to play as they have enough different sample layers in there so you get decent amount of different articulations depending how hard or soft you hit the keys
@BiancaNeve said:
Indeed - I'd like to do a comparison with Sonatina Symphonic Orchestra and some of my other favorite orchestral soundfonts.
I've worked out what it was that was bugging me about this app. The main thing is the note endings, they don't sound natural, the notes just stop. With real string instruments the strings carry on ringing a little when you lift the bow off unless you damp them, which doesn't usually happen. Usually it's the bowing of the following note that curtails the previous one, but that is not what happens with this app. The other thing was that it wasn't sounding like a symphony orchestra, but did sound like it would be good for something. Then it hit me. This is a baroque/classical orchestra. The sounds are more suited to playing the likes of Vivaldi and Bach than they are Mahler. Still too expensive compared to the best of the competition, though.
In the Cubasis demo, the violin sections sounds... like a Juno?
@PaulB I've just tested all of the included sounds and they range from instant release (pizzicato) to Slow Strings which I would say has the longest release. You can't control the release times (except with reverb).
@syrupcore cool, so I get an analog synth thrown in too :-)
glass half full!
OK, here you go. This is a genuine attempt to compare the Miroslav IAP in SampleTank with iSymphonic Orchestra. The first clip is Miroslav which I think sounds pretty nice until you hear the second clip which is iSymphonic and this piece really comes to life. Your choice.
Thanks @Trueyorky - nice comparison indeed. Do you have anything in BS16i you can do a similar comparison with? That would be nice too.
@Trueyorky said:
Is there any way you can equalize the volume in the two demos as the iSymphonic volume is currently louder?
My main issue with iSymphonic, besides the price, is that it seems to lack flexibility. I write a lot in Notion. I can choose my instruments. I also have miroslav, that I bought on sale for $10. Again I can choose my selection of instruments. I can add and drop instruments along the way at any point. Maybe I don't understand iSymphonic, but it seems to decide what I should want and it locks into that instrument choice that it made for me. I'm also willing to bet that I can make miroslav sound just as good as iSymphonic, but considering that I haven't spent the $54 I could be wrong.
It sounds really good to me. I have a Miroslav Mobile already and that covers my needs pretty well, but if this ever dropped in price I'd definitely be tempted.
@Janie you are probably right that given the time and effort you could get closer between what you achieve between the two apps. The reality is that you are only hearing 'two' different sounds in each clip with I think proves where iSymphonic is strongest. Playing individual sounds in say, Miroslav sounds good but when you start to play iSymphonic where the sounds changes throughout the octave range and with different velocities in your playing style then for me there is only one winner.
Great video, thanks Doug!
And thank you @Trueyorky for the comparison!
I agree with most people here, sounds great but a bit on the pricy side.
Hey @Crudebyte maybe we can have a flash sale? After all, it will be labor day weekend in the US next week
Thank you guys for all the demos. I'm still not sold on it yet. When there is at least a 50% sale and a universal version as well i would be buy it. I think it's good for some spacy orchestrial sounds when you want to put fast something together but i still prefer to make my "own" orchestra with single instruments with all the other iOS tools.
Combining ThumbJam, Sample Tank, Garage Band, Alchemy etc. gives me much better results and i have more control over my "orchestra" and it's still cheaper all together ; )
Just had some extra info from Christian, the dev
Hi Doug,
nice demo!
I should have mentioned some things before you had made your demo. We found
that people usually do not realize these two things:
Almost all sounds support channel aftertouch for controlling the
attenuation of the sound. So you can i.e. hold a chord and by varying
pressure while holding it, you can alter the volume of the sound.
You can also switch sounds by swiping the players on the screen.
We have more sounds coming soon for iSymphonic Orchestra. One of them also
triggers staccato sounds by aftertouch. Current sounds had a focus merely on
string sounds. We are going to add brass sounds as well though.
I am going to post your review by Twitter (@crudebyte). In case you have a
Twitter account already, just let me know your account name so I can reference
it.
Thanks again!
Best regards,
Christian Schoenebeck
Excellent news, thanks Doug.
Do you know if the new sounds will be IAP?
@PaulB said:
No idea, but I'll bet they are