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Xequence AU | Keys 1.1.1 - Short Vid Explaining the 2 main new features

Xequence AU | Keys 1.1.1 - Short Vid Explaining the 2 main new features

Details in the video, with more thoughts in the pinned comment - easily my favourite non-mpe midi keyboard for iOS. Vid also contains a link to my longer spoken walkthrough on this an AU | Pads - which is more geared towards drums. Enjoy, and thanks to @SevenSystems for this update, which I have been hoping for for a while!

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  • Thanks for the video Gav, much appreciated! 🍻 And stop mentioning "non-MPE", that makes me feel guilty and actually consider adding MPE support whenever I can properly work again 😂

  • @Gavinski did it get a hold function? -- im too lazy to check my updated app LOL

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  • @audiblevideo said:
    @Gavinski did it get a hold function? -- im too lazy to check my updated app LOL

    Damn no, you just reminded me - I can't for the life of me understand why it doesn't have that 😂 @SevenSystems any chance?

    @SevenSystems haha, yep still waiting and hoping for the mpe addition! Since it is now available in Xequence itself would it be hard to add to AU | Keys?

    @tja said:
    @Gavinski Of course, this triggers the question about your favorite MPE midi keyboard 🤗

    @tja said:
    @Gavinski Of course, this triggers the question about your favorite MPE midi keyboard 🤗

    There have been a few recent releases that I need to check out more properly before I make up my mind on them, like Beat Pads and Woodtroller, both seem promising in different ways, but the devil's always in the details. I definitely like geoshred for fast playing. But geoshred doesn't remember your last settings in terms of scales etc. You need to save these as presets. This drives me crazy. Velocity keyboard is quite good but the fact it also doesn't state save correctly drives me a bit crazy too, and the velocity response isn't brilliant. Still a useful app. Definitely need to spend a bit more time with Woodtroller and Beat Pads tho! Do you have a favourite mpe keyboard?

  • @Gavinski said:

    @audiblevideo said:
    @Gavinski did it get a hold function? -- im too lazy to check my updated app LOL

    Damn no, you just reminded me - I can't for the life of me understand why it doesn't have that 😂 @SevenSystems any chance?

    I have it on the roadmap, including an amazing "Smart Hold", but currently I cannot work a lot for various reasons...

    @SevenSystems haha, yep still waiting and hoping for the mpe addition! Since it is now available in Xequence itself would it be hard to add to AU | Keys?

    Note that the keyboard in Xequence is still non-MPE. But yes, it's also on the roadmap to update the keyboard with MPE support, which I would then obviously try to bring to Xequence AU | Keys as well!

  • I bought the keys and pads bundle recently I don’t even reach for the AUM keyboard anymore. It’s really a great app. Beat Pads is on my list as well.

  • @HotStrange said:
    I bought the keys and pads bundle recently I don’t even reach for the AUM keyboard anymore. It’s really a great app. Beat Pads is on my list as well.

    The only advantage the aum keyboard has at this point is the hold button. I generally only use it when I need hold (admittedly that's often!). AU | Keys has so many great features. And it's also - importantly for me - very beautifully designed.

    @SevenSystems hmm, "smart hold"™ - sounds gamechangey if it is what I think it is!

  • By the way, @sevensystems, maybe you could also add to the to-do list allowing Xequence AU Keys to save those settings like ‘max velocity at top’ as defaults? Currently need to set it up again every time, but I think many people would have their preference and want it to open a certain way every time, what do you think? Cheers!

  • Another thing that many would find useful would be, after adjusting width, being able to nudge the keyboard left or right so that you get the starting note you want while still managing to keep the keys to the perfect width for what you happen to be playing at that time

  • @Gavinski said:

    @HotStrange said:
    I bought the keys and pads bundle recently I don’t even reach for the AUM keyboard anymore. It’s really a great app. Beat Pads is on my list as well.

    The only advantage the aum keyboard has at this point is the hold button. I generally only use it when I need hold (admittedly that's often!). AU | Keys has so many great features. And it's also - importantly for me - very beautifully designed.

    @SevenSystems hmm, "smart hold"™ - sounds gamechangey if it is what I think it is!

    Agreed. I use hold about half the time and I didn’t even think of that. I guess I haven’t needed it for the last few sessions but I do love having it there for drones. Smart Hold does sound very interesting.

  • @HotStrange said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @HotStrange said:
    I bought the keys and pads bundle recently I don’t even reach for the AUM keyboard anymore. It’s really a great app. Beat Pads is on my list as well.

    The only advantage the aum keyboard has at this point is the hold button. I generally only use it when I need hold (admittedly that's often!). AU | Keys has so many great features. And it's also - importantly for me - very beautifully designed.

    @SevenSystems hmm, "smart hold"™ - sounds gamechangey if it is what I think it is!

    Agreed. I use hold about half the time and I didn’t even think of that. I guess I haven’t needed it for the last few sessions but I do love having it there for drones. Smart Hold does sound very interesting.

    I mean, hold is just really an essential aspect of any virtual keyboard. Useful for drones, useful for holding chords for arps, useful when sound designing.

  • @Gavinski said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @HotStrange said:
    I bought the keys and pads bundle recently I don’t even reach for the AUM keyboard anymore. It’s really a great app. Beat Pads is on my list as well.

    The only advantage the aum keyboard has at this point is the hold button. I generally only use it when I need hold (admittedly that's often!). AU | Keys has so many great features. And it's also - importantly for me - very beautifully designed.

    @SevenSystems hmm, "smart hold"™ - sounds gamechangey if it is what I think it is!

    Agreed. I use hold about half the time and I didn’t even think of that. I guess I haven’t needed it for the last few sessions but I do love having it there for drones. Smart Hold does sound very interesting.

    I mean, hold is just really an essential aspect of any virtual keyboard. Useful for drones, useful for holding chords for arps, useful when sound designing.

    Agreed all around. Here’s hoping we get it with AU keys soon 🤞

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  • @SevenSystems man i hope your condition ( whatever it is that keeps you from working and enjoying life fully ) improves or flat goes away - soon. Much Love.

  • @audiblevideo said:
    @SevenSystems man i hope your condition ( whatever it is that keeps you from working and enjoying life fully ) improves or flat goes away - soon. Much Love.

    Same, definitely

  • @audiblevideo said:
    @SevenSystems man i hope your condition ( whatever it is that keeps you from working and enjoying life fully ) improves or flat goes away - soon. Much Love.

    Seconded.

  • edited April 2023

    @Gavinski said:
    By the way, @sevensystems, maybe you could also add to the to-do list allowing Xequence AU Keys to save those settings like ‘max velocity at top’ as defaults? Currently need to set it up again every time, but I think many people would have their preference and want it to open a certain way every time, what do you think? Cheers!

    Try with presets!! It will be state saved.

    For all those wanting hold function, why not using a CC slider with sustain? Perfect note holding with this!! Except perhaps for a few instruments not receiving CC 64.

  • @Janosax said:

    @Gavinski said:
    By the way, @sevensystems, maybe you could also add to the to-do list allowing Xequence AU Keys to save those settings like ‘max velocity at top’ as defaults? Currently need to set it up again every time, but I think many people would have their preference and want it to open a certain way every time, what do you think? Cheers!

    Try with presets!! It will be state saved.

    For all those wanting hold function, why not using a CC slider with sustain? Perfect note holding with this!! Except perhaps for a few instruments not receiving CC 64.

    Sure, preset saving in aum is definitely an option and I have several presets saved for different scale and cc slider setups I like.

    Sustain is not the same as hold though - even though I often make use of a sustain slider in AU Keys. Hold will sustain a note permanently, sustained notes do eventually decay. And like you say, not every synth has sustain CC support. Actually quite a few don't.

  • @Gavinski said:

    @Janosax said:

    @Gavinski said:
    By the way, @sevensystems, maybe you could also add to the to-do list allowing Xequence AU Keys to save those settings like ‘max velocity at top’ as defaults? Currently need to set it up again every time, but I think many people would have their preference and want it to open a certain way every time, what do you think? Cheers!

    Try with presets!! It will be state saved.

    For all those wanting hold function, why not using a CC slider with sustain? Perfect note holding with this!! Except perhaps for a few instruments not receiving CC 64.

    Sure, preset saving in aum is definitely an option and I have several presets saved for different scale and cc slider setups I like.

    Sustain is not the same as hold though - even though I often make use of a sustain slider in AU Keys. Hold will sustain a note permanently, sustained notes do eventually decay. And like you say, not every synth has sustain CC support. Actually quite a few don't.

    Perhaps it’s could be possible to use a Streambyter or Mozaic instance to filter all note off from AU keys. Not very convenient but a good workaround. If it’s activated via a specific CC slider in AU keys that can be cool.

  • edited April 2023

    @Gavinski You should be able to do it with this session using streambyter, midi bus automations, and Module as an example. Those knowing how to code will do better. Streambyter auto holder template is from Audiobus wiki.

    https://wiki.audiob.us/doku.php?id=streambyter

    My AUM session with everything ready to play.

    https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/05dA9-FBrxsH-slickMCFW20A#Xequence_AU_keys_Hold

  • @Janosax said:
    @Gavinski You should be able to do it with this session using streambyter, midi bus automations, and Module as an example. Those knowing how to code will do better. Streambyter auto holder template is from Audiobus wiki.

    https://wiki.audiob.us/doku.php?id=streambyter

    My AUM session with everything ready to play.

    https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/05dA9-FBrxsH-slickMCFW20A#Xequence_AU_keys_Hold

    Thanks! I'm just thinking actually, is this also what midi latch from the midi tools suite does? Have not actually used that one. Let's face it though, a 'hold' button is such a basic and useful feature 😁

  • edited April 2023

    :p :p > @Gavinski said:

    @Janosax said:
    @Gavinski You should be able to do it with this session using streambyter, midi bus automations, and Module as an example. Those knowing how to code will do better. Streambyter auto holder template is from Audiobus wiki.

    https://wiki.audiob.us/doku.php?id=streambyter

    My AUM session with everything ready to play.

    https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/05dA9-FBrxsH-slickMCFW20A#Xequence_AU_keys_Hold

    Thanks! I'm just thinking actually, is this also what midi latch from the midi tools suite does? Have not actually used that one. Let's face it though, a 'hold' button is such a basic and useful feature 😁

    Sure :D perhaps @SevenSystems will implement it faster? :smiley: Such a cool thing with iOS music making is that it’s so modular that we can do a lot by ourselves like if it was a puzzle or legos!!

    Edit : on iPad midi tools latch also works, but not universal and will still need midi busses hack via AU keys slider for using it more conveniently.

  • @Janosax said:
    :p :p > @Gavinski said:

    @Janosax said:
    @Gavinski You should be able to do it with this session using streambyter, midi bus automations, and Module as an example. Those knowing how to code will do better. Streambyter auto holder template is from Audiobus wiki.

    https://wiki.audiob.us/doku.php?id=streambyter

    My AUM session with everything ready to play.

    https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/05dA9-FBrxsH-slickMCFW20A#Xequence_AU_keys_Hold

    Thanks! I'm just thinking actually, is this also what midi latch from the midi tools suite does? Have not actually used that one. Let's face it though, a 'hold' button is such a basic and useful feature 😁

    Sure :D perhaps @SevenSystems will implement it faster? :smiley: Such a cool thing with iOS music making is that it’s so modular that we can do a lot by ourselves like if it was a puzzle or legos!!

    Edit : on iPad midi tools latch also works, not universal and will still need midi busses hack to be manipulated via AU keys slider.

    Thanks for checking! Would you not just pass the midi from AU Keys through Latch without doing anything else? I think that's the way it would work in aum anyway, but - again - haven't tried yet!

  • edited April 2023

    @Gavinski said:

    @Janosax said:
    :p :p > @Gavinski said:

    @Janosax said:
    @Gavinski You should be able to do it with this session using streambyter, midi bus automations, and Module as an example. Those knowing how to code will do better. Streambyter auto holder template is from Audiobus wiki.

    https://wiki.audiob.us/doku.php?id=streambyter

    My AUM session with everything ready to play.

    https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/05dA9-FBrxsH-slickMCFW20A#Xequence_AU_keys_Hold

    Thanks! I'm just thinking actually, is this also what midi latch from the midi tools suite does? Have not actually used that one. Let's face it though, a 'hold' button is such a basic and useful feature 😁

    Sure :D perhaps @SevenSystems will implement it faster? :smiley: Such a cool thing with iOS music making is that it’s so modular that we can do a lot by ourselves like if it was a puzzle or legos!!

    Edit : on iPad midi tools latch also works, not universal and will still need midi busses hack to be manipulated via AU keys slider.

    Thanks for checking! Would you not just pass the midi from AU Keys through Latch without doing anything else? I think that's the way it would work in aum anyway, but - again - haven't tried yet!

    Yes of course that works you just have to manage space for example.

  • edited April 2023

    @Gavinski or you can use AUM presets and automate them via AU keys slider, using CC and invert buttons. Note that loading a midi tools preset don’t update its GUI, latch button stays in same state but in fact is not.
    BTW AUM busses, routing and presets midi control are truly something powerful!!! 😍

    AUM session

    https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/008vmTBW2xesXe7AaeotCyJ2Q#Xequence_AU_Keys_hold_latch

    You can have pitch sustain and latch that way, which is convenient.

  • @Janosax just tried AU Keys via Latch to an instrument, and while it 'works', the problem is that AU Keys does not show which apps are latched. Which essentially makes this workaround unusable for most of my needs, unfortunately!

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  • @Gavinski said:
    By the way, @sevensystems, maybe you could also add to the to-do list allowing Xequence AU Keys to save those settings like ‘max velocity at top’ as defaults? Currently need to set it up again every time, but I think many people would have their preference and want it to open a certain way every time, what do you think? Cheers!

    Yeah, I guess something like a "Save current instance's settings as defaults" button would make sense, I'll add this to the list!

    @Gavinski said:
    Another thing that many would find useful would be, after adjusting width, being able to nudge the keyboard left or right so that you get the starting note you want while still managing to keep the keys to the perfect width for what you happen to be playing at that time

    You can already scroll the keyboard freely if you turn off "Glide" and "Lock" in the bottom toolbar?

    @audiblevideo said:
    @SevenSystems man i hope your condition ( whatever it is that keeps you from working and enjoying life fully ) improves or flat goes away - soon. Much Love.

    @audiblevideo @Gavinski @HotStrange Thanks! It's not one big thing but a dozen "small" things that add up, but I'm keeping hopes up 😊 nothing life-threatening.

  • @SevenSystems "You can already scroll the keyboard freely if you turn off "Glide" and "Lock" in the bottom toolbar?"
    Thank you, this is something I obviously didn't grok, thanks for clarifying. And thanks again for this app which - lack of hold button aside 😉 - is just so beautifully designed, beautiful to look at, got mad useful functionality, and is such a pleasure to use!

  • @Gavinski said:
    @SevenSystems "You can already scroll the keyboard freely if you turn off "Glide" and "Lock" in the bottom toolbar?"
    Thank you, this is something I obviously didn't grok, thanks for clarifying. And thanks again for this app which - lack of hold button aside 😉 - is just so beautifully designed, beautiful to look at, got mad useful functionality, and is such a pleasure to use!

    Thanks a lot 😊 I do agree that the arrangement of modes (combinations of "Glide" and "Lock") is a bit non-standard in Xequence, maybe this should rather be a 3-way radio switch "Glide", "Scroll", "Lock".

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