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Read the comments under this video…SO much wisdom her (G.A.S syndrome )

Telstar5Telstar5
in General App Discussion

Applies to iOS in a way also..

Comments

  • el_boel_bo

    Your thread would get more traction if you could somehow link it to Logic coming to the iPad. There’re no doubt still many angles to exploit ;)

    The situation highlighted in the video is definitely applicable to iOS. If anything, digital hoarding can be far worse. Not only are non-physical objects generally much cheaper than hardware, but because they take up no more physical space than the device they're stored onthey are also practically invisible when not in use.

    I reckon that if the majority of folk here were to count their apps, then envisage each app as a separate physical unit, the guy in the video would seem to have quite a conservative collection. Even the rare few who only use Garageband are still using a virtual representation of what would’ve been a pretty well-stocked studio, back in the day. More than that, such a facility would’ve been way out of the budgets of many musicians to have owned.

    As for the idea of decision/choice paralysis? While it can definitely exist, I wonder why it has become so accepted as an insurmountable phenomena. The solution is compartmentalisation. It shouldn’t really be such a foreign concept as we do it all the time.

    If we really considered all the millions of permutations of choices we have at each point in our lives, we'd never be able to get out of bed each day. And yet we do…'cause we compartmentalise, repeat patterns, build repertoires etc. We tend to eat a certain selection of foods, despite having access to billions of permutations; We tend to hang around with the same people, despite there being literally billions of others; We tend to live our lives in a pretty structured and repetitive ways, despite all the alternative options.

    We don’t get overwhelmed by all the choices (At least, not all of us, all of the time) because we use this compartmentalising, pattern forming etc. evenif we aren’t consciously aware we are doing it. So why do we get so overwhelmed in very specific areas?

    I think a big part of it is that when we buy things, they do take up space. I know I said earlier that digital products are more of an 'out of mind, out of sight' thing, but we still have to confront these things every time we have to choose from our plugin lists, or as they sprawl multiple 'desktop' pages.

    Perhaps another contributing factor, for some, is a certain amount of guilt/regret having (and I don’t mean to suggest this is everyone) amassed their collection, because shopping and collecting is just another 'drug', and that at least a certain quantity of these app purchases were not fueled out of need ;)

    So…what to do when the dust has settled?

    Some ideas, thoughts etc. I've had. Not yet implemented all myself, so these are not offered as solutions with known outcomes. Some might help with avoiding future G.A.S-fuelled excursions, while others might help in workin out how to use what we already have. Would be nice to have suggestions from others, to add to the list:

    1. Take stock, audit, inventory…whatever. Make a list, like a real list…in meat-space i.e on paper. Perhaps print it out on an A1 poster and hang it on the 'studio' wall. Allowing these things to take up real, physical space, albeit just on paper, should offer an at-a-glance awareness of all that we own. Might help stop G.A.S in its tracks.

    2. Perhaps avoid using app folders on the iPad. Apps can still be organised by type, but I think that allowing apps to sprawl accross multiple screens also plays into the idea of these objects taking up real space. This one has helped me. Scrolling through all these pages makes it very clear what I have, and helps to inform future choices.

    3. Just try to imagine what your studio would look and feel like if every app were a physical hardware unit. I'd imagine many of us would shoot way past 'Total overwhelm' ;)

    4. Assess new purchase based on need, not on price. Perhaps allow potential puchases to mull around in the brain long enough to distinguish true need. Look at the printe sheet of apps already owned, to decide whether the new thing adds anything to the current repertoire, or whether it’s just impulse, craving or ''cause it’s cheap/free” (Yeah…even unused freebies might be best avoided if one is susceptible to overwhelm).

    5. Perhaps get all 'Kondo' about it, and delete anything unused in the last year or anything that doesn’t spark joy, inspiration etc. Perhaps use the same process to decide whether the new app is worth adding

    6. Perhaps start to think about developing a repertoire, by way of compartmentalisation. What are the apps that are absolute must-haves. What is your musical Mirepoix, your first-call horns etc? Build a base of apps that you keep returning to, and that don’t cause any kind of overwhelm. Then, consider adding extra ingredients from your current collection, to complement what’s already there.

    7. Alternatively, do the complete opposite and go random. Add numbers to the printed list, and use a random number generator (many can be found online), to determine which apps will be used in your next project.

    8. Learn apps that have sat unused, on a one-by-one basis. Perhaps use a random generator to decide the order

    9. Don’t buy apps just 'cause they’re on sale or intro discount. Nothing wrong with frugality, but the saving of 30% is negated if the app goes unused. If it turns out you eventually reall want/need the app, paying that little extra is till favourable over wasting on mistakes. Besides, the next sale is almost always around the corner.

    ——————————

    So yeah…compartmentalise, develop patterns, routines. Create temporary limits within a seemingly limitless arsenal. Even elephants can apparently be eaten, one bite at a time. So no need for any overwhelm :)

  • el_boel_bo

    P.S Just in case it wasn’t clear, I don’t have any issue with people buying every app they see…regardless of whether there’s a need, nor any resulting use (I know there are some folk who do so literally just to supoort developers etc.). My response was really only directed to people, like myslef, who at one point or another found themselves to be severely overwhelmed by the things I’ve bought.

  • natuurlijknatuurlijk
    edited May 2023

    Why have you added the word syndrome after GAS in the thread title?

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    GAS in an addiction so some people need psychological help and group support

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @el_bo said:
    Your thread would get more traction if you could somehow link it to Logic coming to the iPad. There’re no doubt still many angles to exploit ;)

    The situation highlighted in the video is definitely applicable to iOS. If anything, digital hoarding can be far worse. Not only are non-physical objects generally much cheaper than hardware, but because they take up no more physical space than the device they're stored onthey are also practically invisible when not in use.

    I reckon that if the majority of folk here were to count their apps, then envisage each app as a separate physical unit, the guy in the video would seem to have quite a conservative collection. Even the rare few who only use Garageband are still using a virtual representation of what would’ve been a pretty well-stocked studio, back in the day. More than that, such a facility would’ve been way out of the budgets of many musicians to have owned.

    As for the idea of decision/choice paralysis? While it can definitely exist, I wonder why it has become so accepted as an insurmountable phenomena. The solution is compartmentalisation. It shouldn’t really be such a foreign concept as we do it all the time.

    If we really considered all the millions of permutations of choices we have at each point in our lives, we'd never be able to get out of bed each day. And yet we do…'cause we compartmentalise, repeat patterns, build repertoires etc. We tend to eat a certain selection of foods, despite having access to billions of permutations; We tend to hang around with the same people, despite there being literally billions of others; We tend to live our lives in a pretty structured and repetitive ways, despite all the alternative options.

    We don’t get overwhelmed by all the choices (At least, not all of us, all of the time) because we use this compartmentalising, pattern forming etc. evenif we aren’t consciously aware we are doing it. So why do we get so overwhelmed in very specific areas?

    I think a big part of it is that when we buy things, they do take up space. I know I said earlier that digital products are more of an 'out of mind, out of sight' thing, but we still have to confront these things every time we have to choose from our plugin lists, or as they sprawl multiple 'desktop' pages.

    Perhaps another contributing factor, for some, is a certain amount of guilt/regret having (and I don’t mean to suggest this is everyone) amassed their collection, because shopping and collecting is just another 'drug', and that at least a certain quantity of these app purchases were not fueled out of need ;)

    So…what to do when the dust has settled?

    Some ideas, thoughts etc. I've had. Not yet implemented all myself, so these are not offered as solutions with known outcomes. Some might help with avoiding future G.A.S-fuelled excursions, while others might help in workin out how to use what we already have. Would be nice to have suggestions from others, to add to the list:

    1. Take stock, audit, inventory…whatever. Make a list, like a real list…in meat-space i.e on paper. Perhaps print it out on an A1 poster and hang it on the 'studio' wall. Allowing these things to take up real, physical space, albeit just on paper, should offer an at-a-glance awareness of all that we own. Might help stop G.A.S in its tracks.

    2. Perhaps avoid using app folders on the iPad. Apps can still be organised by type, but I think that allowing apps to sprawl accross multiple screens also plays into the idea of these objects taking up real space. This one has helped me. Scrolling through all these pages makes it very clear what I have, and helps to inform future choices.

    3. Just try to imagine what your studio would look and feel like if every app were a physical hardware unit. I'd imagine many of us would shoot way past 'Total overwhelm' ;)

    4. Assess new purchase based on need, not on price. Perhaps allow potential puchases to mull around in the brain long enough to distinguish true need. Look at the printe sheet of apps already owned, to decide whether the new thing adds anything to the current repertoire, or whether it’s just impulse, craving or ''cause it’s cheap/free” (Yeah…even unused freebies might be best avoided if one is susceptible to overwhelm).

    5. Perhaps get all 'Kondo' about it, and delete anything unused in the last year or anything that doesn’t spark joy, inspiration etc. Perhaps use the same process to decide whether the new app is worth adding

    6. Perhaps start to think about developing a repertoire, by way of compartmentalisation. What are the apps that are absolute must-haves. What is your musical Mirepoix, your first-call horns etc? Build a base of apps that you keep returning to, and that don’t cause any kind of overwhelm. Then, consider adding extra ingredients from your current collection, to complement what’s already there.

    7. Alternatively, do the complete opposite and go random. Add numbers to the printed list, and use a random number generator (many can be found online), to determine which apps will be used in your next project.

    8. Learn apps that have sat unused, on a one-by-one basis. Perhaps use a random generator to decide the order

    9. Don’t buy apps just 'cause they’re on sale or intro discount. Nothing wrong with frugality, but the saving of 30% is negated if the app goes unused. If it turns out you eventually reall want/need the app, paying that little extra is till favourable over wasting on mistakes. Besides, the next sale is almost always around the corner.

    ——————————

    So yeah…compartmentalise, develop patterns, routines. Create temporary limits within a seemingly limitless arsenal. Even elephants can apparently be eaten, one bite at a time. So no need for any overwhelm :)

    I always find your posts so thoughtful, informed and thought-provoking. This was a great one!

  • el_boel_bo

    @Gavinski said:

    @el_bo said:
    Your thread would get more traction if you could somehow link it to Logic coming to the iPad. There’re no doubt still many angles to exploit ;)

    The situation highlighted in the video is definitely applicable to iOS. If anything, digital hoarding can be far worse. Not only are non-physical objects generally much cheaper than hardware, but because they take up no more physical space than the device they're stored onthey are also practically invisible when not in use.

    I reckon that if the majority of folk here were to count their apps, then envisage each app as a separate physical unit, the guy in the video would seem to have quite a conservative collection. Even the rare few who only use Garageband are still using a virtual representation of what would’ve been a pretty well-stocked studio, back in the day. More than that, such a facility would’ve been way out of the budgets of many musicians to have owned.

    As for the idea of decision/choice paralysis? While it can definitely exist, I wonder why it has become so accepted as an insurmountable phenomena. The solution is compartmentalisation. It shouldn’t really be such a foreign concept as we do it all the time.

    If we really considered all the millions of permutations of choices we have at each point in our lives, we'd never be able to get out of bed each day. And yet we do…'cause we compartmentalise, repeat patterns, build repertoires etc. We tend to eat a certain selection of foods, despite having access to billions of permutations; We tend to hang around with the same people, despite there being literally billions of others; We tend to live our lives in a pretty structured and repetitive ways, despite all the alternative options.

    We don’t get overwhelmed by all the choices (At least, not all of us, all of the time) because we use this compartmentalising, pattern forming etc. evenif we aren’t consciously aware we are doing it. So why do we get so overwhelmed in very specific areas?

    I think a big part of it is that when we buy things, they do take up space. I know I said earlier that digital products are more of an 'out of mind, out of sight' thing, but we still have to confront these things every time we have to choose from our plugin lists, or as they sprawl multiple 'desktop' pages.

    Perhaps another contributing factor, for some, is a certain amount of guilt/regret having (and I don’t mean to suggest this is everyone) amassed their collection, because shopping and collecting is just another 'drug', and that at least a certain quantity of these app purchases were not fueled out of need ;)

    So…what to do when the dust has settled?

    Some ideas, thoughts etc. I've had. Not yet implemented all myself, so these are not offered as solutions with known outcomes. Some might help with avoiding future G.A.S-fuelled excursions, while others might help in workin out how to use what we already have. Would be nice to have suggestions from others, to add to the list:

    1. Take stock, audit, inventory…whatever. Make a list, like a real list…in meat-space i.e on paper. Perhaps print it out on an A1 poster and hang it on the 'studio' wall. Allowing these things to take up real, physical space, albeit just on paper, should offer an at-a-glance awareness of all that we own. Might help stop G.A.S in its tracks.

    2. Perhaps avoid using app folders on the iPad. Apps can still be organised by type, but I think that allowing apps to sprawl accross multiple screens also plays into the idea of these objects taking up real space. This one has helped me. Scrolling through all these pages makes it very clear what I have, and helps to inform future choices.

    3. Just try to imagine what your studio would look and feel like if every app were a physical hardware unit. I'd imagine many of us would shoot way past 'Total overwhelm' ;)

    4. Assess new purchase based on need, not on price. Perhaps allow potential puchases to mull around in the brain long enough to distinguish true need. Look at the printe sheet of apps already owned, to decide whether the new thing adds anything to the current repertoire, or whether it’s just impulse, craving or ''cause it’s cheap/free” (Yeah…even unused freebies might be best avoided if one is susceptible to overwhelm).

    5. Perhaps get all 'Kondo' about it, and delete anything unused in the last year or anything that doesn’t spark joy, inspiration etc. Perhaps use the same process to decide whether the new app is worth adding

    6. Perhaps start to think about developing a repertoire, by way of compartmentalisation. What are the apps that are absolute must-haves. What is your musical Mirepoix, your first-call horns etc? Build a base of apps that you keep returning to, and that don’t cause any kind of overwhelm. Then, consider adding extra ingredients from your current collection, to complement what’s already there.

    7. Alternatively, do the complete opposite and go random. Add numbers to the printed list, and use a random number generator (many can be found online), to determine which apps will be used in your next project.

    8. Learn apps that have sat unused, on a one-by-one basis. Perhaps use a random generator to decide the order

    9. Don’t buy apps just 'cause they’re on sale or intro discount. Nothing wrong with frugality, but the saving of 30% is negated if the app goes unused. If it turns out you eventually reall want/need the app, paying that little extra is till favourable over wasting on mistakes. Besides, the next sale is almost always around the corner.

    ——————————

    So yeah…compartmentalise, develop patterns, routines. Create temporary limits within a seemingly limitless arsenal. Even elephants can apparently be eaten, one bite at a time. So no need for any overwhelm :)

    I always find your posts so thoughtful, informed and thought-provoking. This was a great one!

    Could've done with a heavy dose of proof-reading, editing etc. But thanks for taking it in the spirit-intended i.e not me schooling anyone, but some thoughts from a fellow sufferer who has spent a lot of time thinking about the current mess(es) in which i find myself ;)

    Feel free to add to the list, if you wish. The more ideas/strategies the better.

  • Telstar5Telstar5

    @el_bo said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @el_bo said:
    Your thread would get more traction if you could somehow link it to Logic coming to the iPad. There’re no doubt still many angles to exploit ;)

    The situation highlighted in the video is definitely applicable to iOS. If anything, digital hoarding can be far worse. Not only are non-physical objects generally much cheaper than hardware, but because they take up no more physical space than the device they're stored onthey are also practically invisible when not in use.

    I reckon that if the majority of folk here were to count their apps, then envisage each app as a separate physical unit, the guy in the video would seem to have quite a conservative collection. Even the rare few who only use Garageband are still using a virtual representation of what would’ve been a pretty well-stocked studio, back in the day. More than that, such a facility would’ve been way out of the budgets of many musicians to have owned.

    As for the idea of decision/choice paralysis? While it can definitely exist, I wonder why it has become so accepted as an insurmountable phenomena. The solution is compartmentalisation. It shouldn’t really be such a foreign concept as we do it all the time.

    If we really considered all the millions of permutations of choices we have at each point in our lives, we'd never be able to get out of bed each day. And yet we do…'cause we compartmentalise, repeat patterns, build repertoires etc. We tend to eat a certain selection of foods, despite having access to billions of permutations; We tend to hang around with the same people, despite there being literally billions of others; We tend to live our lives in a pretty structured and repetitive ways, despite all the alternative options.

    We don’t get overwhelmed by all the choices (At least, not all of us, all of the time) because we use this compartmentalising, pattern forming etc. evenif we aren’t consciously aware we are doing it. So why do we get so overwhelmed in very specific areas?

    I think a big part of it is that when we buy things, they do take up space. I know I said earlier that digital products are more of an 'out of mind, out of sight' thing, but we still have to confront these things every time we have to choose from our plugin lists, or as they sprawl multiple 'desktop' pages.

    Perhaps another contributing factor, for some, is a certain amount of guilt/regret having (and I don’t mean to suggest this is everyone) amassed their collection, because shopping and collecting is just another 'drug', and that at least a certain quantity of these app purchases were not fueled out of need ;)

    So…what to do when the dust has settled?

    Some ideas, thoughts etc. I've had. Not yet implemented all myself, so these are not offered as solutions with known outcomes. Some might help with avoiding future G.A.S-fuelled excursions, while others might help in workin out how to use what we already have. Would be nice to have suggestions from others, to add to the list:

    1. Take stock, audit, inventory…whatever. Make a list, like a real list…in meat-space i.e on paper. Perhaps print it out on an A1 poster and hang it on the 'studio' wall. Allowing these things to take up real, physical space, albeit just on paper, should offer an at-a-glance awareness of all that we own. Might help stop G.A.S in its tracks.

    2. Perhaps avoid using app folders on the iPad. Apps can still be organised by type, but I think that allowing apps to sprawl accross multiple screens also plays into the idea of these objects taking up real space. This one has helped me. Scrolling through all these pages makes it very clear what I have, and helps to inform future choices.

    3. Just try to imagine what your studio would look and feel like if every app were a physical hardware unit. I'd imagine many of us would shoot way past 'Total overwhelm' ;)

    4. Assess new purchase based on need, not on price. Perhaps allow potential puchases to mull around in the brain long enough to distinguish true need. Look at the printe sheet of apps already owned, to decide whether the new thing adds anything to the current repertoire, or whether it’s just impulse, craving or ''cause it’s cheap/free” (Yeah…even unused freebies might be best avoided if one is susceptible to overwhelm).

    5. Perhaps get all 'Kondo' about it, and delete anything unused in the last year or anything that doesn’t spark joy, inspiration etc. Perhaps use the same process to decide whether the new app is worth adding

    6. Perhaps start to think about developing a repertoire, by way of compartmentalisation. What are the apps that are absolute must-haves. What is your musical Mirepoix, your first-call horns etc? Build a base of apps that you keep returning to, and that don’t cause any kind of overwhelm. Then, consider adding extra ingredients from your current collection, to complement what’s already there.

    7. Alternatively, do the complete opposite and go random. Add numbers to the printed list, and use a random number generator (many can be found online), to determine which apps will be used in your next project.

    8. Learn apps that have sat unused, on a one-by-one basis. Perhaps use a random generator to decide the order

    9. Don’t buy apps just 'cause they’re on sale or intro discount. Nothing wrong with frugality, but the saving of 30% is negated if the app goes unused. If it turns out you eventually reall want/need the app, paying that little extra is till favourable over wasting on mistakes. Besides, the next sale is almost always around the corner.

    ——————————

    So yeah…compartmentalise, develop patterns, routines. Create temporary limits within a seemingly limitless arsenal. Even elephants can apparently be eaten, one bite at a time. So no need for any overwhelm :)

    I always find your posts so thoughtful, informed and thought-provoking. This was a great one!

    Could've done with a heavy dose of proof-reading, editing etc. But thanks for taking it in the spirit-intended i.e not me schooling anyone, but some thoughts from a fellow sufferer who has spent a lot of time thinking about the current mess(es) in which i find myself ;)

    Feel free to add to the list, if you wish. The more ideas/strategies the better.

    I agree .. Great comment !

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