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Looking for a low latency harmoniser with midi input
I already own 4 pockets Vocal Soloist but the latency is way too much.
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What's the exact use case you have in mind?
I want to use it on vocals and be able to set the harmony using midi notes.
I'm not an expert in these things, but I'm going to venture a guess that the answer is...Drambo?
Haha, not this time! Although if @giku_beepstreet made that it would be the best in it's class. I'm using Der Voco and it is my absolute favourite vocoder on IOS.
Are you looking for something that allows you to play midi notes on a keyboard, while singing, and it will output harmony based on the notes you play in real time?
Precisely
That sounds like fun! I'd pay good money for a module, or app, that does this well.
I'd do it in Drambo easily... perfectly fine if you wanna use a separate app though 😉
Hey I’m certainly not going to even try to dissuade you, especially if it’s easy!!
I’m ready to get rid of the box below, it won’t fit into my suitcase!
OK one question before I go ahead: Do you need automatic pitch correction like the Perform VE's hardtune?
Does ToneBooster’s voicepitcher do this?
If you can, it would probably be better to have it.
I'd prefer to make one without first, pitch correction is a totally different story.
It doesn't seem like it can do automatic pitch correction either.
Harmonizr?. I think it can do what you’re asking, but I find the UI terribly confusing.
BTW I have the TC Helicon Voicelive3 and I love the way harmonies follow the guitar chords. I don’t know if that’d be possible n iOS without using half a dozen apps and a complicated setup.
I just bought the pictured above tc helicon perform ve and it’s brilliant at what it does but I wouldn’t say it’s better than Der Voco at vocoding. The harmonizer is very good though. Also the voice synth sampler that allows you to sample your voice and play it across the keyboard range is what originally sold it to me.
4 Pockets Vocal Soloist is not great. The latency is 3 times what I’d call useable and it only worked monophonically when I routed midi into it. Also, as you’ve mentioned, the interface won’t be winning any awards.
I’m definitely looking forward to what @rs2000 comes up with. No pressure though!
Done.
https://patchstorage.com/polyphonic-pitch-transposer/
I'm not a Drambo user (yet?) but Drambo is MPE right? Does that mean that the polyphonic pitch transposer could be MPE pitch bent? If so that would be the first that I know of, and I will definitely be getting Drambo if only for that!
For OP, Harmonizr is the only good harmonizer I've found on iOS so far,, it's pretty good, latency is just about live-with-able. Consider though running it on a dedicated ios device of recent spec, separate to other synths etc, so you can confidently bring the buffer size to something small, and manage the latency without it becoming a problem as part of a bigger project.
The VoiceLive Touch 2 hardware is great. If you happen across the Kirsten Hermes Performing Electronic Music Live book, interviewing Matt Robertson on doing the tech for Bjork and why they still choose the Voicelive rather than plugins. Laura Escude reiterated that in her Sound on Sound interview.
On desktop Devious Machines PitchMonster in granular mode is fantastic, although the midi is relative to a set root note which gets on my personboobs a bit. Melda MHarmonizerMB, Waves Harmony, Izotope Vocalsynth ... in roughly that order of preference.
If it's with vocals they all get a little harsh spectrally with brighter mics, including the TC Voicelive. So just when you thought it was a good idea to get that fancy pants DPA headset, turns out a super dark ribbon mic works better or just a SM58. If you only had a bright mic then processing before and even after the harmonizer is needed.
Hope you find something that works
EDIT, ah I see you have the Perform and are looking to be rid, ignore me on the Voicelive etc.
I'll be interested to see if you find something that you think is good enough. I may try that Drambo patch, and otherwise I think Harmonizr is about as good as there is right now. But I'll be really happy to be corrected!
No midi in in TB Voicepitcher, sadly
Just brilliant! Thanks for making this. Really wish I had your level of understanding when it comes to making things in Drambo. I’m working on it but have a long, long way to go… Cheers.
Harmonizr is the closest to this
It works! Super cool. But it’s terribly hard to stay in tune somewhat. So do harmonisers have auto tune? I thought when hardtune is off it didn’t but then again the harmonies follow the chord received via midi in the same way a vocoder would.
So with this patch the voice is used as the root note and the midi in provides the interval information? So if the voice is pitched off the whole thing is off. It’s interesting because usually I don’t have issues with staying in pitch but I guess if the harmonies follow the pitch dictated by midi then the main live vocal can just sit on the pillow of vocal perfection.
If it didn’t have so much latency…
Haha, aren't we spoilt with AutoTune and forgot how a natural singing voice sounds like? 😉
For sure all these pitch tricks make human pitch precision even more obvious. Just a few hours ago I've tried a new Audio to Midi detector app, had to sing a melody to record and my dear, was I off pitch most of the time!
I'll think about ways to detect and correct pitch though. Can't promise much because Drambo's pitch detector is not optimized for voice at all. I'm sure that it's rather impossible to get any close to AutoTune et al.
Believe me, I do natural singing all day at work and with both my non electronic projects, no need for auto tune there 😉😇.
Even in my Fleksi looping I never touched that stuff. Now though, it got me curious, because it sounds almost inhuman.
I’d be mostly using vocoder if it wasn’t for the fact that the lyrics are less intelligible and that it is more prone to feedback.
It’s weird though, because in normal choral setting one tends to lean on, or rather blend with other voices to create the most congruent match. Here somehow things fall apart but I honestly don’t think it is for the lack of intonation.
Anyway, I’ll keep playing with Der Voco and Perform VE. I’ll probably take it to my band practice alongside OG circuit I just bought again, but they probably laugh me out of the room!! 😂
Thanks for trying!
Harmonizr is pretty good. You can send it midi or use its own internal harmonization algorithms. I enjoy it very much. Here's a few a capella tracks I made with it. The first one is an improvised vocal solo. The second two have vocal overdubs. You'll hear it glitching occasionally.
Oh wow! Wonderful.
This one does it, midi and everything with low latency. You can configure voices, or play them live with midi doing chords or melodies, with or without hold.
https://apps.apple.com/fr/app/voice-synth/id490511069
This just uploaded video shows the sound of Voice Synth on sax, no midi playing on that one however. GB track made for test purpose was from 2018.
Indeed this one looks like the best match.
Oh man, I’ve tried to make it work with this app so many times, including last week when I was trying to get the vocoder going, but each time there’s something not quite right.
I think a massive con for me is the UI. It is so chaotic.
Last time I tried it I could quite get it to respond to midi chords. I had all the midi routing settings set but it didn’t work. Der Voco just works!
I’ll give it another shot though.
Great sax playing btw.
Thanks for making this! I'll give it a try on my day off tomorrow.