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Small pads for drum sticks

theinfinatetheinfinate
in Hardware

So I’d love to be able to use something like the size of a korg nano pad to change drum kits. I am using loopy pro and within audiolayer (multisample app). I have made buttons in loopy pro to change presets in audiolayer. I pulled out and dusted off an old korg nano pad and made a few midi assignments but the drum sticks aren’t triggering the pads. I can press with the drumstick but that’s not what I want, I want to be able to hit them. Not quite sure why the pads don’t trigger no matter how hard I hit them. I know it’s not a common thing to hit small pads like this with drum sticks but if I could find something that worked that would be super cool. Anyone got something similar and a drumstick they can test it with for me?

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  • wimwim
    edited May 2023

    @theinfinate said:
    So I’d love to be able to use something like the size of a korg nano pad to change drum kits. I am using loopy pro and within audiolayer (multisample app). I have made buttons in loopy pro to change presets in audiolayer. I pulled out and dusted off an old korg nano pad and made a few midi assignments but the drum sticks aren’t triggering the pads. I can press with the drumstick but that’s not what I want, I want to be able to hit them. Not quite sure why the pads don’t trigger no matter how hard I hit them. I know it’s not a common thing to hit small pads like this with drum sticks but if I could find something that worked that would be super cool. Anyone got something similar and a drumstick they can test it with for me?

    This could be a Loopy Pro midi binding setting problem. Sometimes Loopy detects a "hold" event instead of an on/off event during midi learn. Make sure that the midi binding is set to "On" not "Hold".

    If that doesn't work you might try sending the nano pad output to a midi monitor to check whether any midi is being output when you hit the pad with the stick. Probably you'll only end up verifying that no note is being sent, but you might also find out other things such as if the note on and off messages both arrive and come in the right order.

  • rs2000rs2000
    edited May 2023

    Owning a NanoPad myself, I suspect that the reason is rather a worn out device.
    Check this out (there are more videos about the matter):

    I've seen other people adding a thin layer of paper between the two layers (wires and carbon pads) to prevent the two from sticking to each other.

    Make sure you check the MIDI messages coming from the NanoPad when hitting the pads.
    Can you see any messages?

    No matter how much you try though, these carbon layers are optimised to detect pressure while for detecting drum stick hits, microphones or piezo discs would be the better option.

  • theinfinatetheinfinate

    @wim said:

    @theinfinate said:
    So I’d love to be able to use something like the size of a korg nano pad to change drum kits. I am using loopy pro and within audiolayer (multisample app). I have made buttons in loopy pro to change presets in audiolayer. I pulled out and dusted off an old korg nano pad and made a few midi assignments but the drum sticks aren’t triggering the pads. I can press with the drumstick but that’s not what I want, I want to be able to hit them. Not quite sure why the pads don’t trigger no matter how hard I hit them. I know it’s not a common thing to hit small pads like this with drum sticks but if I could find something that worked that would be super cool. Anyone got something similar and a drumstick they can test it with for me?

    This could be a Loopy Pro midi binding setting problem. Sometimes Loopy detects a "hold" event instead of an on/off event during midi learn. Make sure that the midi binding is set to "On" not "Hold".

    If that doesn't work you might try sending the nano pad output to a midi monitor to check whether any midi is being output when you hit the pad with the stick. Probably you'll only end up verifying that no note is being sent, but you might also find out other things such as if the note on and off messages both arrive and come in the right order.

    Yeah nah it’s not a midi problem, as I said it works when I press the button just not when I hit it with a stick so it’s a pad velocity issue, thanks anyway

  • theinfinatetheinfinate

    @rs2000 said:
    Owning a NanoPad myself, I suspect that the reason is rather a worn out device.
    Check this out (there are more videos about the matter):

    I've seen other people adding a thin layer of paper between the two layers (wires and carbon pads) to prevent the two from sticking to each other.

    Make sure you check the MIDI messages coming from the NanoPad when hitting the pads.
    Can you see any messages?

    No matter how much you try though, these carbon layers are optimised to detect pressure while for detecting drum stick hits, microphones or piezo discs would be the better option.

    Oh cool that’s good to know that the velocity can be improved, yeah I agree I think piezo might be the only way as a drum stick is so fast and hard and is lacking pressure. I wonder if the nano pad 2 would work… and yep no probs with midi messages as I press it and it works just not when I hit it

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