SOLVED - A good SIMPLE midi control plugin in for AUM?

pax-eterna

@wim said:
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Making it such that you can edit each time to change the values is pretty straightforward. Working with knobs to avoid having to edit code each time gets more complicated. I'm happy to help though if you need it.

on second thought, yes if you could do that please wim? then I can have it on the screen with the manual open which will help with my congnizance of how it all works....

pax-eterna

On a bit of a digression here, but what do you use Loopy for, if you don't mind me asking?

wim

@pax-eterna said:

@wim said:

@pax-eterna said:
thx wim, as I wrote way back I do have Loopy HD, but I guess that is a different beast....apart from getting this done, are there any other advantages to Loopy Pro?

Only about a million. But I have no idea whether they'd be of any value to you. I don't know anything about your workflow other than what you've described in your efforts to use the Lumbeats drummers for live work.

I fear it might be overkill and frustration inducing based our conversation so far.

haha, yeah probs - as succinctly as I can this is what I do - I play live bass keys and vocal (using the FR-8x) and while the FR8 has a drums capability, it is more suitable for light jazz and "oom pah" style. Hence the need for a drum unit of some kind. I was for ages using the Beatbuddy but after hearing the first Lumbeat app Soft drummer thought nah that is the way to go as it sounded so good!! At the time I was aware it was IAA and the limitations of that, but I naively thought the developer would move to AUv3, my bad!!

Now because I have a wide range and a LOT (around 350 currently cycling - IE rotating playlists- for gigs) of tunes, I need to be able to change the drums fairly quickly between tunes - up until the weekend I ws JUST getting away with it but I got caught out and decided I needed a better way - hence this thread and all the frustration since hahaha!!!

So if you think there'd be space in that for the other stuff Loopy does then let me know

I can think of many, many ways Loopy Pro could help in that workflow. I'm not sure it's a good idea to open that can of worms until after you have the short-term problem solved though. 😉

pax-eterna

@wim said:

I can think of many, many ways Loopy Pro could help in that workflow. I'm not sure it's a good idea to open that can of worms until after you have the short-term problem solved though. 😉

haha, yes probs for the best - not sure if you missed it above, but if you could do that (write that script) please wim? then I can have it on the screen with the manual open which will help with my congnizance of how it all works....

Plus, the reason I was asking after your Loopy pro views was that perhaps I should start with it instead and maybe develop other stage (live show) roles for it to play...as you wrote that Loopy would be easier to perhaps integrate into the workflow (I paraphrase there)

I sorta like to "start as I plan to finish" so to speak

wim

It's written and is sending the needed midi messages and working with Soft Drummer. However, right now it's not changing the patch on reloading the session. The values are being sent but Soft Drummer isn't changing. I'm seeing if adding a delay on startup will help.

pax-eterna

thanks wim - IIRC, it needs a millisecond or two between them (which is there auto) and I think the order is important - again from memory it is CC32, CC0 PC

wim

. deleted . script bug.

pax-eterna

if it's any easier do up a loopy pro thing - I have bought it now

wim

One thing at a time. 😉

Please try this out. It doesn't seem to be foolproof, but I blame Soft Drummer for that. The midi messages being sent look correct to me.

[edit] Script deleted after further testing.

wim

Ugh.
Let me see if I can try that again. It's not working well at all.

pax-eterna

@wim said:
Ugh.
Let me see if I can try that again. It's not working well at all.

haha, all g - thx!

@wim said:
One thing at a time. 😉

Please try this out. It doesn't seem to be foolproof, but I blame Soft Drummer for that. The midi messages being sent look correct to me.

[edit] Script deleted after further testing.

yes the midi implementation is a bit scratchy - could even be linked to the CC issue with using the Blueboard...not sure he has got the "behind the scenes" stuff quite right tbh.

pax-eterna

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wim

I give up. Soft Drummer is shit at changing patches consistently. I can verify that the CC's (or Bank Select, I tried that too) are what they should be, but no luck trying to get the patches to change consistently. 😖

I'm not at all sure that a Loopy Pro template will be any better. I mean, if something sends the right values but the other app doesn't process it, what can you do?

What about the idea of dumping suitable length clips recorded from the Lumbeats apps into Loopy Pro and forgetting the idea of loading those apps live at all. In Loopy you can record as many bars as you like to get enough fills and stuff to keep it sounding organic.

If so, then with a lot of setup (for all your songs), you can have an environment with far fewer things to go wrong. Another benefit is Loopy has session transition features that could do a lot to smooth switching between songs.

It's a total rework of your approach though. Might be more than you want to take on, and a heavy learning curve to boot.

pax-eterna

@wim said:
I give up. Soft Drummer is shit at changing patches consistently. I can verify that the CC's (or Bank Select, I tried that too) are what they should be, but no luck trying to get the patches to change consistently. 😖

I'm not at all sure that a Loopy Pro template will be any better. I mean, if something sends the right values but the other app doesn't process it, what can you do?

What about the idea of dumping suitable length clips recorded from the Lumbeats apps into Loopy Pro and forgetting the idea of loading those apps live at all. In Loopy you can record as many bars as you like to get enough fills and stuff to keep it sounding organic.

If so, then with a lot of setup (for all your songs), you can have an environment with far fewer things to go wrong. Another benefit is Loopy has session transition features that could do a lot to smooth switching between songs.

It's a total rework of your approach though. Might be more than you want to take on, and a heavy learning curve to boot.

yeah thx m8 - REALLY appreciate your efforts. Like trying to turn the sows ear into a silk purse hey! Luis Martinez has a bit to either learn or answer to when it comes to MIDI - he won't though....obviously making enough from sales to not have to bother with folks.

FWIW, when I was doing this ages ago from one iPad to another via bluetooth - it was the same...very inconsistent MIDI operations!

Of course now I've said that, every man (person) and his dog will be on saying they have perfect operations! hahaha!

pax-eterna

Honestly, if I had the resources I'd commission a developer to backward engineer this stuff and then create AUV3 versions! Of a similar style of app of course. Not an exact copy.

wim

I'm sorry it didn't work out.

No loss here as I was interested in writing the script anyway. It's unfortunate it couldn't work consistently with the app. But tbh, I never did think it was a reliable setup for live work if you recall some of our earlier conversations about it.

I hope you find something that works for you - possibly leveraging Loopy Pro. But who knows? I mean even file players in AUM using exported audio from the Lumbeats apps could be made to work as long as you don't absolutely have to have the live fills be generated on the fly each performance.

pax-eterna

yeah it's more the live drum play, that let's me do extended soloing if I'm in the mood or folks get up to dance in the last 8 bars as they always seem to do hahaha!

Once you're on a fixed loop it makes it difficult - maybe I can do something in Camelot pro, it does have "markers" for audio tracks. Never tried them really but might be an idea.

Thing is this exercise SHOULD have been simple really and I daresay in one of the other more traditional drum apps it would work fine. But they are all essentially a fixed loop of drums, albeit a whole song.

In Lumbeat it's very much wysiwyg - so deal!!