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Let's make our own Push 3 (share your hardware/iPad hybrid workflow!)
With the announcement of the Push 3 today, it's made me realize how frustrating the iPad music environment is for me. It has all these amazing tools that are pretty much only fully useful with the touch screen. While, in theory, that's fine, it isn't quite the same as dedicated knobs and buttons.
Obviously, with apps like AUM and AB3, we can map hardware to pretty much anything, but that's always an extra step, and the bidirectional feedback isn't always guaranteed.
Also, what apps have integrated templates for hardware? I know of:
1. Loopy Pro
2. Atom 2
3. LP for Ableton
I know many of us have made templates or tried to create our own, perhaps more concrete, setups, and I'm interested in seeing what others are doing. I have yet to really find a good way to make everything feel seamless, but I'm hoping others will be able to inspire me and the rest of our community.
I have a nice collection of controllers:
Remote SL "zero" - it was a 25 key but I hacked the keyboard off
Launchpad Pro MK3
Faderfox UC4 and EC4
Keystep
You'd think I'd be able to make a dedicated seamless groovebox, but I still haven't totally figured it out!
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I think the best portable setup I've found so far is to pair Drambo with a Faderfox UC4 and a wireless Roli Lumi keyboard. Unfortunately my iPad won't power the UC4 as it's a 10.5 inch Pro from 2017 without USB-C (I presume that the USB-C multiport adapter would work to power it for newer iPads?), so I still need to use a battery pack that accepts mains power for this to be portable.
When it's all set up, though, and Drambo has been MIDI mapped to the UC4 in a nice way, it's amazing.
That remenber a bit Maschine 3 + standalone from NI that was not a great success so wait and see. It cost too much money for what it is.
For this one You got no more than 300 usd (such a smallscreen , CPU and memory cost peanuts now what cost the more in an iPad or IPhone is quality retina screen ) industrial cost so the fair price not should be more than 700 usd.
At this price it is like teenage engendering a joke . You will find in one year plenty as second hands at good price.
An Akai Force and an iPad is pretty fun combo. As long as you use the Akai Force for what it is, the iPad can supplement any short comings.
I like Koala with a Nanokontrol 2. Sliders and knobs mapped to FX, play/pause mapped and all that, with some knobs left over for sample start/length.
Then I have a button to enter keyboard mode, and you can use the mute/rec/solo buttons to trigger pads and scenes if you like. I’ve found I like buttons for scenes, but prefer to use the touch-screen for pads.
It works really, really well. I just wish the iPad had better I/O for audio so I could plug stuff straight in to sample it.
OXI One with AUM. Don't bother with any iPad sequencers if you have this one. Add TX-6 for mixing and audio interface and you have the Ableton one beat
Faderfox EC4, BirdKids OffGrid to round it out.
Does Drambo allow the bidirectional feedback for your UC4?
I've been eyeing the Oxi One for bit now. Is it really all it's cracked up to be?
yes
Is LK a good fit as it was originally a live controller? I don’t know an awful lot about the push tbh
If anyone needs bi-directional feedback and recall of knob positions for something like a Faderfox, this Mozaic script may be of help. Route the controller to it (not to what you want to control), then the output of the script to what you want to control and back to your controller. It remembers the last midi passed through it and saves that in the state. On reload of the session it resends those to the controller to update any LEDs, etc.
It's not truly bi-directional so if you move controls in on the iOS device this will not be reflected back to the controller. All control must be from the controller.
Maybe only useful for a few applications but here it is in case it's any help:
https://patchstorage.com/controller-tracker-and-snapshots/
https://patchstorage.com/controller-feedback-and-restore/
The second link is to the less-featured predecessor. The description on that one may be worth looking at though as it's a little more informative about the feedback aspect.
Thank you for the Faderfox tip - you should advertise this more widely, it's otherwise a big annoyance for EC4 owners