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Why are you using an Ipad for music production?
I have had my Ipad Pro for over a couple of months and this week I have had some thoughts running through my mind regarding music production on the iPad or say Vs. on a standard desktop or laptop computer. I have been having lots of fun on the iPad, but at the same time, I've been frustrated as well. Some apps or DAWs are still not where I think they should be. I think AUM is a great platform base and I have had some great times using it. The iPad "touch" and hands-on, real-feel approach is great, but sometimes I think and say to myself making music in say Ableton on my Mac mini has it all.. or does it really? I am trying out Logic Pro on the iPad this week and I feel it's good, but still for me, Ableton Live is much better and easier to work with. So, I am asking myself, why did I get this iPad for music production? Maybe.... 1) It's more like a hardware way of working with touch interaction and feeling. 2) It's maybe more portable 3) Some IOS synths are more interesting than on the desktop pc...... 4) mix them both together? So, what is your feeling? This is just a post for your thoughts and comparisons and why you may prefer the Ipad for music production. Perhaps I haven't got comfortable enough working with it.
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i use the ipad apps like midi or audio instruments I feed into Ableton on desktop.
i dont see the point in doing production on the ipad.
Are you using IDAM or another audio interface like Iconnectivity?
I tried this as well using IDAM and the latency is not the best. I have an Ipad Pro M2 and a Mac Mini M2 and if I lay down say a short drum kick or drum Snare (whatever sound) from the Ipad (1/4 notes) and run it into Ableton audio .. Then I make a simple HH or kick in midi in Ableton and sync them, the audio and midi coming in from the iPad is off quite a bit. I am using Ableton Link to sync them too, but otherwise, the Ipad can be cool for this.
My personal experience only:
@Antos3345 yep i have a iconnectivity audio device so I can pass audio and midi directly into my desktop from ipad and vice versa. i can trigger Ableton devices/ VST's or hardware with ios midi devices etc..
i use midi clock offset or ableton link offset to align latency if monitoring is required.
because I don't have a laptop
I am thinking about that and this could be the "bridge" I need. Is the sound good and the latency tight? Are you using the Audio 4c?
Touch.
sounds it ok but not as good as like a motu or higher spec audio device but its pretty good, bit noisy.
latency has been low for me but i use 96khz and i have a fast desktop which I run at 32 buffer rate.
I'm the same for iPad and iPhone. I've entirely given up on finishing tracks, so I have no use for full-blown DAWs in any platform.
Immediacy. Since having kids, it’s a pain to keep setting up an audio interface, and reconfigure everything on desktop each time I want to record. Don’t have space for a studio. iPad is portable and can get up and running immediately.
I do have not always the time or place to drag a laptop around everywhere, so jamming on my iPad can be fun, inspiring, and creative. Then, these loops or concepts can later move on to the Mac with Ableton for final arrangement or further work. Alone on the iPad, I find song arrangement not working for me and counterproductive. I have kids too, so I can take a break from them and jam almost anywhere. Since I love Ableton Live, Note is quite fun too.
It's a lot more fun and less expensive. Plus the touch screen instruments do not exist anywhere else: GeoShred, Animoog, Samplr, etc.
Complete accident.
Used to mess about with music in the 90s/00s in my bedroom. Had iPads for years, Covid hit, bought gadget, then zeeon, then aum, then cubasis, then.. then… here I am 3 years later unable to contemplate moving to desktop. Pricing aside, mixing on headphones while my wife is watching tv, trying ideas in the kitchen late at night, hooking up a keyboard in my office (cupboard).
It’s freedom and I’m able to learn / use music production tools I could only dream of back in the 90s.
Yes, I agree. I think I’m mot appreciating what I really have in iOS music apps. Yes and some are amazing and even cheaper than VSTs.
Crikey I found my clone! My story is very similar except I had an eye op as well as the lockdown and found myself for a while stuck on the edge of my settee and not much else whilst recovering. My salvation was finding I could make music on this oversized ipad I bought just to read bigger print! From then on I was completely hooked!
Why?
Personally speaking I haven’t had so much fun with music tech in years.
I was strictly strictly a guitarist / singer / songwriter a few years ago, but I had an ipad at the time and stumbled across some music apps and found them quite fun. When I realised I could play something like the seaboard with the iPad over Bluetooth I was sold. I did end up getting an interface and a laptop, but in the meantime I found myself more drawn to experimental electronic doodlings. I hardly touch my guitar now and have really no interest in combining my voice or guitar with my ipad stuff. The interface lies unused.
I bought a laptop to get access to some quality mpe synths but found I much preferred the feel and portability of the iPad. I also like the price of ipad apps much more than desktop, though I definitely realise the addictive nature of the ability to make impulse buys so quickly on the appstore and expenditure on ipad apps and hardware can quickly add up. I could of course use cracks on a desktop but I like that using an ipad forces me not to do that and that instead I'm supporting creative people with my purchases.
However, having a top of the range laptop with full paid ableton, Logic and bigwig would still have cost much less than I have spent on apps, many of which I wasn't able to demo first and which often go unused.
Most of my ipad work is done outside, in a park or by a river or in a coffeeshop or public square while my dog is free to wonder and enjoy his day instead of being cooped up at home. An ipad is immeasurably better for this than a laptop. I can use it with a smart or magic keyboard, or take it off the keyboard when I want to play a virtual keyboard on the screen. I can use a Bluetooth mouse or smart keyboard track pad if and when I want to. All this flexibility also leads to less stiffness than sitting at a desk with a traditional laptop or desktop setup.
I have little interest in finishing or publishing pieces at the moment. Noodling and experimenting is enough. So something like AUM is perfect. I'm glad we have logic now, but the instruments and the playing surfaces etc in it are far more interesting to me than the time line. I have a feeling I'll probably take well to the live loops feature.
The iPad (when it had a headphone jack) was great for commuting. For years I also used it at home but once I started working from home and bought Maschine for desktop (largely because I heard Beatmaker3 was fashioned after it) I dont use the iPad very much for production. Now iPad is for making sample fodder, exporting old bits and pieces for fun or just playing around without too much intention.
I got bored of tracking to the computer. It was a mistake, iOS music has been a novelty up until the last few years.
I use my iPad when I'm too lazy to walk into the studio and unplug my laptop to bring outside.
Same. Used to live in NY, worked in NYC from 2010 to 2021. Didn’t have a laptop at the time, learned about an app called Nanostudio and got it on my first phone. So between commuting a boat load of hours a day and having kids that’s what did it for me.
We’re creatures of habit I guess, my kids are getting a bit older, I work remotely now so I could set up a nice little area at home and work on the desktop or a laptop but after all these years I still prefer working on a touch screen. It’s just much faster, much more portable and it does everything I need it to do
Using touch is akin to using hardware for me so it's more enjoyable than using a mouse and keyboard.
I forgot one of the best things about using the iPad: tracking guitar parts. I struggled forever getting clean recordings with PCs. First it was the PC fan noise back in the day, then it was always struggles with noisy power that defeated all my efforts to eliminate it.
I still remember the day when I first plugged my guitar into the iPad and got ... absolutely zero noise. What a great day. Suddenly recording was fun again. I never mess with trying to record into even my MacBook Pro any more. With a power bank to supply the iPad with power I can jam for hours and hours, free from pesky buzz.
All you needed was a transformer DI to solve all of that from the start. 😂
Actually it’s amazing how it’s probably the #1 problem of a home recording setup and there is very little helpful information on how to eliminate it.
I use iPad, MPC, Maschine, Ableton - wherever, whenever an idea strikes and I can flesh out everything with any of these workflows 🙏🏻 I’m only limited by imagination 🙌🏽 and perseverance.
Thanks for trying to be helpful. I thought so too. But no.
There is lots of helpful information. Probably all of which I tried. None helped.
Being stuck in hotel rooms and discovering cheap apps.
Previously, it was because of touch, and how my iPad limited the overwhelming number of choices I had on the desktop that resulted in a type of paralysis. Now (300 auv3’s later) it’s because of the many tone creating and bending apps I’ve grown to love. And despite the fact that Studio One on my Mac Studio is “better” in almost every conceivable way than any DAW I use on iOS, the iPad environment is still more than good enough to create fantastic music, and in the end I get more done and just have more fun.
Ditto.
it’s small (actual size), affordable (devices and apps) and able to interact with touchscreen in unique ways