Behringer made a budget Maths

Svetlovska

Just saw this, already out on sale, £111: (actual Maths: £280)

https://www.bax-shop.co.uk/eurorack-modules/behringer-abacus-eurorack-module?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=surfaces&gclid=CjwKCAjw-IWkBhBTEiwA2exyO6d8ZX32t1vWeAS3uzqGQ0V_2LTWNujZ9x6M7S2EOp2mb3Z87OHG6xoCbDwQAvD_BwE

knewspeak

Yes they also are releasing a Four LFO module soon and another M.I. module copy if memory serves me, for anyone looking into Modular on a budget these are good value, my only worry is the durability over time of the in-outputs, which I believe are PCB mounts, but that’s the same on all Behringer synths.

audiblevideo

Behringer should just make faceplate replacements or overlays for existing synths and modules and quit cribbing other people’s homework

dendy

what is exact purpose of this module ?

Krupa

@dendy said:
what is exact purpose of this module ?

Almost everything, there’s memes of tracks solely full of maths modules. They can pretty much do anything in the analogue realm, I’d love to have like five of them tbh

suboptimal

I had four Maths in my system at one point. Still have two.

I've been a Eurorack user for almost 20 years. Behringer is a ghoul, but there's something especially monstrous about stripping a small builder of a legendary module design. The era of the close-knit builder community is, if not over, at least under siege (by ghouls).

dendy

@Krupa said:

@dendy said:
what is exact purpose of this module ?

Almost everything, there’s memes of tracks solely full of maths modules. They can pretty much do anything in the analogue realm, I’d love to have like five of them tbh

give me few examples .. i am righ now building my first rack and still have few HU’s free :-) Convince me i need it :-)

let’s say you have basic modules from Behringer 110 serie (dual vco, dual filter, dual env+lfo, dual vca) - what you can do with them and this one ?

colorsinspace

@suboptimal said:
I had four Maths in my system at one point. Still have two.

I've been a Eurorack user for almost 20 years. Behringer is a ghoul, but there's something especially monstrous about stripping a small builder of a legendary module design. The era of the close-knit builder community is, if not over, at least under siege (by ghouls).

Nah. Eurorack is way over priced to begin with. They mark everything up like 75 percent.

Krupa

@dendy said:

@Krupa said:

@dendy said:
what is exact purpose of this module ?

Almost everything, there’s memes of tracks solely full of maths modules. They can pretty much do anything in the analogue realm, I’d love to have like five of them tbh

give me few examples .. i am righ now building my first rack and still have few HU’s free :-) Convince me i need it :-)

let’s say you have basic modules from Behringer 110 serie (dual vco, dual filter, dual env+lfo, dual vca) - what you can do with them and this one ?

I’m no salesman sorry, try reading this though

https://w2.mat.ucsb.edu/mat276n/resources/systems/CREATE_teachingSynth/manuals/8c_Maths2013-V1.11-printable.pdf

auxmux

Every rack needs a Maths. I got mine with Make Noise's Tape and Music Machine.

Check out the manual and loopop's videos on Maths. Core part of west coast modulation.

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

@dendy said:

@Krupa said:

@dendy said:
what is exact purpose of this module ?

Almost everything, there’s memes of tracks solely full of maths modules. They can pretty much do anything in the analogue realm, I’d love to have like five of them tbh

give me few examples .. i am righ now building my first rack and still have few HU’s free :-) Convince me i need it :-)

let’s say you have basic modules from Behringer 110 serie (dual vco, dual filter, dual env+lfo, dual vca) - what you can do with them and this one ?

Think of Maths as two super-duper looping lfos. From those two modulation sources you can derive related but different modulation sources (the outputs in the bottom row). Plus you can modulate the parameters of each of the two main sources.

From one module you get a huge amount of modulation for the rest of your rack. Plus you can run the two sources at audio rate if you need extra oscillators.

espiegel123

@colorsinspace said:

@suboptimal said:
I had four Maths in my system at one point. Still have two.

I've been a Eurorack user for almost 20 years. Behringer is a ghoul, but there's something especially monstrous about stripping a small builder of a legendary module design. The era of the close-knit builder community is, if not over, at least under siege (by ghouls).

Nah. Eurorack is way over priced to begin with. They mark everything up like 75 percent.

Small manufacturers (like MakeNoise) don't have the economies of scale you think. They aren't rolling in cash and making tons of profit. I think when people look at "markup" they may be looking at raw manufacturing costs and not be figuring, the R&D costs (which includes facilities and not just what employees are paid).

auxmux

@espiegel123 said:

@colorsinspace said:

@suboptimal said:
I had four Maths in my system at one point. Still have two.

I've been a Eurorack user for almost 20 years. Behringer is a ghoul, but there's something especially monstrous about stripping a small builder of a legendary module design. The era of the close-knit builder community is, if not over, at least under siege (by ghouls).

Nah. Eurorack is way over priced to begin with. They mark everything up like 75 percent.

Small manufacturers (like MakeNoise) don't have the economies of scale you think. They aren't rolling in cash and making tons of profit. I think when people look at "markup" they may be looking at raw manufacturing costs and not be figuring, the R&D costs (which includes facilities and not just what employees are paid).

This is correct. Outside of Behringer, modules are hand made by makers. They are not the same as mass produced goods. Buying a module is like buying something from a maker on Etsy, not like buying something from Amazon.

Krupa

@auxmux said:

@espiegel123 said:

@colorsinspace said:

@suboptimal said:
I had four Maths in my system at one point. Still have two.

I've been a Eurorack user for almost 20 years. Behringer is a ghoul, but there's something especially monstrous about stripping a small builder of a legendary module design. The era of the close-knit builder community is, if not over, at least under siege (by ghouls).

Nah. Eurorack is way over priced to begin with. They mark everything up like 75 percent.

Small manufacturers (like MakeNoise) don't have the economies of scale you think. They aren't rolling in cash and making tons of profit. I think when people look at "markup" they may be looking at raw manufacturing costs and not be figuring, the R&D costs (which includes facilities and not just what employees are paid).

This is correct. Outside of Behringer, modules are hand made by makers. They are not the same as mass produced goods. Buying a module is like buying something from a maker on Etsy, not like buying something from Amazon.

Yeah, there’sa really lovely king interview with the make noise guy in a podcast I heard last year and it’s proper lovely cottage industry stuff; a small circle of friends and colleagues busting their ass to square the circle of just making it financially viable… maybe a positive for them from clones like this is that it frees them up to produce other stuff, he did mention just how hard it was keeping up with demand at their scales. A few bucks kickback from Uli would be a nice move though for sure, would probably be viable and take the taint out out the equation…

espiegel123

@Krupa said:

@auxmux said:

@espiegel123 said:

@colorsinspace said:

@suboptimal said:
I had four Maths in my system at one point. Still have two.

I've been a Eurorack user for almost 20 years. Behringer is a ghoul, but there's something especially monstrous about stripping a small builder of a legendary module design. The era of the close-knit builder community is, if not over, at least under siege (by ghouls).

Nah. Eurorack is way over priced to begin with. They mark everything up like 75 percent.

Small manufacturers (like MakeNoise) don't have the economies of scale you think. They aren't rolling in cash and making tons of profit. I think when people look at "markup" they may be looking at raw manufacturing costs and not be figuring, the R&D costs (which includes facilities and not just what employees are paid).

This is correct. Outside of Behringer, modules are hand made by makers. They are not the same as mass produced goods. Buying a module is like buying something from a maker on Etsy, not like buying something from Amazon.

Yeah, there’sa really lovely king interview with the make noise guy in a podcast I heard last year and it’s proper lovely cottage industry stuff; a small circle of friends and colleagues busting their ass to square the circle of just making it financially viable… maybe a positive for them from clones like this is that it frees them up to produce other stuff, he did mention just how hard it was keeping up with demand at their scales. A few bucks kickback from Uli would be a nice move though for sure, would probably be viable and take the taint out out the equation…

"Free them up to do other stuff" by reducing their income from one of their more popular modules? I don't think it works that way. Coming up with a module that sells well is not trivial.

Krupa

@espiegel123 said:

@Krupa said:

@auxmux said:

@espiegel123 said:

@colorsinspace said:

@suboptimal said:
I had four Maths in my system at one point. Still have two.

I've been a Eurorack user for almost 20 years. Behringer is a ghoul, but there's something especially monstrous about stripping a small builder of a legendary module design. The era of the close-knit builder community is, if not over, at least under siege (by ghouls).

Nah. Eurorack is way over priced to begin with. They mark everything up like 75 percent.

Small manufacturers (like MakeNoise) don't have the economies of scale you think. They aren't rolling in cash and making tons of profit. I think when people look at "markup" they may be looking at raw manufacturing costs and not be figuring, the R&D costs (which includes facilities and not just what employees are paid).

This is correct. Outside of Behringer, modules are hand made by makers. They are not the same as mass produced goods. Buying a module is like buying something from a maker on Etsy, not like buying something from Amazon.

Yeah, there’sa really lovely king interview with the make noise guy in a podcast I heard last year and it’s proper lovely cottage industry stuff; a small circle of friends and colleagues busting their ass to square the circle of just making it financially viable… maybe a positive for them from clones like this is that it frees them up to produce other stuff, he did mention just how hard it was keeping up with demand at their scales. A few bucks kickback from Uli would be a nice move though for sure, would probably be viable and take the taint out out the equation…

"Free them up to do other stuff" by reducing their income from one of their more popular modules? I don't think it works that way. Coming up with a module that sells well is not trivial.

Probably right tbh, I was just trying to see some light 😘

dendy

@colorsinspace said:
I've been a Eurorack user for almost 20 years. Behringer is a ghoul, but there's something especially monstrous about stripping a small builder of a legendary module design. The era of the close-knit builder community is, if not over, at least under siege (by ghouls).

MI released all source codes for their modules Open Source which pretry much means (s)he was completely ok with fact that other companies will produce clones.

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dendy

@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr
Think of Maths as two super-duper looping lfos. From those two modulation sources you can derive related but different modulation sources (the outputs in the bottom row). Plus you can modulate the parameters of each of the two main sources.

okaay .. this is language i understand, now it gets my serious attention :-) thanks

Plus you can run the two sources at audio rate

audio rate modulation aaahghrrr .. 🫠🤤

… now intealised - those “fall” and “rise” knobs are traditional west coast slope !! Didn’t saw it before .. cool thanks for kicking me in the right direction

Svetlovska

@dendy said:
what is exact purpose of this module ?

Try this:

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dendy

@Svetlovska
Try this:

Cool thanks, Loopop is absolute king, nobody can explain things better 👍

Krupa

@dendy said:

@Svetlovska
Try this:

Cool thanks, Loopop is absolute king, nobody can explain things better 👍

That PDF I linked is just insane though, not a manual, a recipe book…

dendy

@Krupa said:

@dendy said:

@Svetlovska
Try this:

Cool thanks, Loopop is absolute king, nobody can explain things better 👍

That PDF I linked is just insane though, not a manual, a recipe book…

saved it for lter when i buy it, thanks

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

@dendy said:

@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr
Think of Maths as two super-duper looping lfos. From those two modulation sources you can derive related but different modulation sources (the outputs in the bottom row). Plus you can modulate the parameters of each of the two main sources.

okaay .. this is language i understand, now it gets my serious attention :-) thanks

Plus you can run the two sources at audio rate

audio rate modulation aaahghrrr .. 🫠🤤

… now intealised - those “fall” and “rise” knobs are traditional west coast slope !! Didn’t saw it before .. cool thanks for kicking me in the right direction

Yeah, I meant to write looping slope generators, but you get the drift. A whole lot of complex modulation from one module.

dendy

how to get from "wtf weird thing is this" into "f**k this is most amazing module i ever saw i need at least two of them" in just few hours

this forum is bad for my wallet 🤣🤣

thanks to everybody fir info !

audiblevideo

Donna do it @dendy

Svetlovska

Hey. Just one module won’t hurt. What could possibly go wrong?

Gavinski

@audiblevideo said:
Behringer should just make faceplate replacements or overlays for existing synths and modules and quit cribbing other people’s homework

Yeah, pretty disgusting modus operandi they have. I don't believe for a second there's anything altruistic in it about bringing stuff to the people for cheap. It's just a particular money making niche they found, and the boss seems like an absolute twat

Gavinski

@dendy said:

@Svetlovska
Try this:

Cool thanks, Loopop is absolute king, nobody can explain things better 👍

On Loopop, at least, we agree! 😁

dendy

@Svetlovska said:
Hey. Just one module won’t hurt. What could possibly go wrong?

pure madness )) beautiful madness ..

oh god, into what waters i steppe in..

still trying to convince myself it ends with just two Nifty cases i ordered 😂😂😂😂

btw do you have some toutube channel with your "bleeps and bloops" ?