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What does Logic Pro offer the AUM crew?
I have some of my own thoughts on this. For me the playing surfaces are a big one, even though the pitch bend for mpe instruments on the main logic piano keyboard is not what I would hope for. It still beats the AUM keyboard hands down. Velocity Keyboard can't compete with the Logic keyboard when it comes to velocity control.
Obviously the synths, like Sculpture, instruments like Sample Alchemy, are big plusses for Logic, and reasons I might subscribe, despite (frankly) not liking Logic, for my own purposes, anywhere near as much as AUM.
Logic mixer is nice! Can just see a bunch of sliders without the apps, I wish AUM had this, as I know many here do.
Easy midi routing to multiple channels and general ease of use are big plusses for AUM.
People tell me it's hard to use auv3 modulation apps to modulate instruments in Logic? Haven't tried yet, but if true is a bummer.
Some apps scale very very slowly in Logic.
Ability to view more than one auv3 window at a time in AUM is something I love.
There are many more things I could add to these lists of pros and cons of both platforms, but I'm more interested in hearing what other AUM fans have to say.
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Logic Pro is a DAW, AUM is like Mainstage, two different ways to play music…
AUM is hard to beat on performance and elegance, the developer of AUM is a clever guy…
I don’t wanna judge Logic Pro yet - we ain’t seen the first update that can bring in a few omissions in Logic Pro.
Curious to see what Jonathan have been doing with AUM, hopefully we see some improvement there also…
Logic - AUM 2-1
If Logic introduces a way to customize the controls that are visible for a plugin's "tiles" in the plugin area, that would go a long way to ameliorate the problem of not being able to open multiple plugin windows.
I assume they'll fix the slow scaling problem, and hope they'll address a lot of the feature gaps in future updates. I kind of get the impression that it will be a long time, maybe never, before we see the sort of MIDI routing that is so easy in AUM.
I think the only thing it really offers an AUM user are its built-in instruments and effects, and the looper/timeline workflow. If you love AUM and you're not tempted by Cubasis or Zenbeats, then Logic probably won't be all that compelling either.
It's an alternative for me. I like having different flows depending on my mood and Logic is now the DAWest alternative. If I need other options, I still have Drambo, AUM, and Loopy Pro to use depending on the use case.
I don't really need any of the built in instruments. I haven't even used them yet. 1) the UX is not great. 2) I have plenty of other AUs already to use.
There’s nothing like Alchemy and Sculpture as AUv3…
Logic is where you can take your AUM jam inspired song ideas and turn them into full arrangements.
If anything it makes AUM more powerful. You get to start things off there knowing you can assemble, arrange mix and master without compromise in Logic.
Take your stems into Live Loops to Jam arrangement ideas and mix and match precious jams.
It’s all gravy baby. The iPad has grown up a bit since logic dropped.
If the auv3 modulation apps kick out cc data you can use midi scripter to convert those to instrument parameters in Logic. Like Rozeta LFO for example. That kicks out cc12, 13 and 14 for the 3 LFOs as default.
An extra step maybe but doable. And not really any more work than setting up routing in AUM.
Well, as a massive AUM fan, I took the plunge, and… got Bitwig on a s/h Surface Pro 8 (the last one with a headphone out.)
The learning curve is vertical at the moment, but having a fully pro DAW, which can run actual full fledged VSTs from the whole wide world of PC things, on a touch surface as couch-surfable as my iPads and that I can, you know, actually buy, not rent, is pretty damn neat.
Plan is to use it as my arrangement machine for those relatively rare occasions I feel the need to actually arrange AUM stems, and as a thing in it’s own right to make music with. Using up my 30 days free trial at the mo, but I will register it before the £100 off Summer Sale deal ends.
Currently £249, including the free upgrade to the next gen v5 launching soon, which is a darn sight cheaper than Ableton Suite, and I suspect the Grid will prove as compelling as Max 4 Live did on Ableton. Not to mention Bitwig looks like a very good fit for my modular stuff too.
Logic Pro is not required on this journey.
Is there a limit to length in Live Loops? For example could I Load up a dozen 5-10 minute drones? It would be cool to use it as a clip launcher for things like that.
I honestly don’t feel like I NEED logic at all. But I do plan on using it to master some stems recorded in AUM from time to time. Or to add a bit of finishing touches.
With apps like Multitrack Recorder, Neon, Koala, etc I feel like I can do most everything in AUM. And I have a ton of mastering apps as AUs that work there just fine as well. I don’t even think I’ve opened Logic in the last 1-2 weeks.
Some of the stock plugins are nice. Sculpture is great. But I don’t like the UIs of any of them at all and the interface, to me, isn’t nearly as good as Zenbeats.
For my workflow and the music I make, nothing can beat AUM. And if it gets multiple mixer views of 8 channels and built in automation, I will probably never go anywhere else. It’s just indispensable for me now.
I suppose I could use it to take my stems and launch them in live looper but I can also do that with Koala, Neon, Loopy Pro, Zenbeats, etc.
Not to downplay Logic. I think it functions great at what it is. A DAW. That’s just not my workflow outside of occasional mastering.
Download it and test...
...should be no issue as all audio is streamed from disk and you can already have very long audio-tracks.
The 'cells' are just a different visual presentation of a track.
It doesn’t really offer me much except slowing the process. 😂
But I like the idea of AUM being able to fit say 8 sliders on the screen at once instead of 4.
What we need or not need, that’s the question since 23rd of may…
We don’t need iPads, we don’t need tons of software to make music…
Just went outside with your phone, record some singing birds, noise from the traffic in the city, you/we finding two woodsticks in the wood to drum on against different trees and natural surfaces…
I’m pretty tired on all the comments that hesitating around Logic Pro for iPad…
Seems like few people really know this DAW:s advanced features, and, everyone compare Logic to Cubasis or ZenBeat, they can’t see the huge difference between them and Logic…
So, @HotStrange skip Logic Pro and stay with AUM, OK?
No more hesitating…
@ErrkaPetti Why would you say this? Are you now in charge of how other people choose to make music? It struck me as a very unpleasant response to an entirely reasonable consideration of Logic Pro by @HotStrange.
Lol you might have to be the first person I block here 😂 every time anyone says 1 small slight against Logic you gotta chime in with something like this. And not just me, I see you reply to everyone with similar things. Is Apple paying you to be on the frontlines of Logic for iPad promotion? It’s getting kinda ridiculous at this point.
I even commended Logic for what it is in my original reply 🤣
I’m just gonna block them I think. @ErrkaPetti says things like this to anyone that says one thing wrong about Logic. Definitely unpleasant. I mean they came into a thread where they knew people would be saying things about Logic that doesn’t fit in their workflow just to start something.
So incredible easy to be offended…
And, I havn’t any intrest into Apple, just a fan of Apple products…
I'll re-answer the question of this thread, since I have an experience to note: Last night I wanted to quickly wire up a synth and sequencer to check out the synth. Sometimes I like to just get a loop going and tweak knobs to check out a synth I'm not familiar with. My go-to for this has always been AUM. My process is: 1: create audio channel, 2: create MIDI channel, 3: load plugins, 4: make the MIDI connection, 5: profit! So I did this, no problem. But then as an experiment I decided to fire it up on Logic as well.
That looks like: 1: create an instrument track, 2: load plugins, 3: profit! Plus if I want to, I have a track and/or loop cells to which I can record the MIDI output if I like, ready to go. It was quicker and easier. And of course the built-in step sequencer makes for an even faster and easier means to do this if I don't need to use a particular 3rd party sequencer.
Yes, you can do this in Cubasis or Zenbeats as well, but the "plugin area" in Logic makes the process super-quick, whereas any time I've been away from Zenbeats for a little while I have to remind myself how to load a MIDI plugin and how to get it to record.
Now, AUM is still a superior environment for complicated MIDI and audio routing, and if you have a library of templates and a lot of time with AUM under your fingers it may well still be a superior sandbox/sketchpad for you. But for a simple use case like the one I just described, well, I think Logic works better for me.
I've seen a lot of commentary along the lines of "Logic is unintuitive", "everything takes longer in Logic" etc. I think a lot of that might just be familiarity. I felt the same way for a while, but my workflow is speeding up quickly as I get used to the controls, menus and windows.
Lol not offended at all just tired of dealing with it. I come here to have nice conversations, not be annoyed with people who get defensive over an app every time it’s mentioned. If anything you seem VERY offended at people not being head over heels with Logic.
I don’t think Logic is bad at all, I actually think it’s great. But AUM is where I excel because it’s better for my music and workflow. That said, I’m glad Logic is here and that it exists for everyone that loves it. And I can see myself still using it in the future. Just less for typical timeline stuff and more for mastering, finishing touches, Live Loops, etc.
For me personally, the UI on Zenbeats has been superior but Logics isn’t bad at all. Some of the quirks take getting used to, and I’m not a fan of endless scrolling on some of the synths, but there’s a lot to like there. The drum synth and Sculpture are both incredible. I’d pay lots to have them both as standalone instruments.
Yeah, I think Zenbeats got a lot right in the UI department, and really came the closest to a Logic Pro X experience on iPad, at least until now. And I agree that the built-in plugin UIs in iPad Logic are a bit of a mess, though I’m hopeful we’ll see improvements there. I suspect they made a decision to port all of the UIs to the SwiftUI framework, which is not a very mature framework.
That said, I’ve spent a lot of hours in AUM and it remains the most comfortable space for me right now, so I get what you’re saying. I’m drawn to the power of Logic, in a way I never was really with Cubasis or Zenbeats, so I think it’s where I’ll spend more and more time in the future, but that comfort is going to take a lot of time to establish.
As for Sculpture, I started browsing presets for it last night and the sounds are incredible. But yeah, the 4-pages-of-scrolling monochrome UI is an unholy mess.
@HotStrange Blocking people doesn't really work well unfortunately, in my experience 😂. You still see that they have replied to you and all you have to do is click in the box to view their reply. You also still see a lot of their posts if people are quoting them. So unfortunately the best method is really often just straight up ignoring people who annoy you. Not to say that's easy either 😂
And yes, you and others are completely within their rights not to love Logic and to state that without fearing reprisals from any who do love Logic and have an obsessive need to voluntarily serve as some kind of bodyguard. When you already know well the kind of workflow you like, it's perfectly fine to decide within a few days or weeks that an app is not for you, even if you haven't learned all its nooks and crannies.
I think for me a basic understanding of Logic will be as much as I need or want. I have better things to spend my time on, for my own needs, than learning lots of obscure or hidden functions that I will rarely use and will need to relearn because they are not intuitive if I spend too much time away from the app.
Yeah until the UI overhaul, Sculpture will remain a preset player for me. I’ve been using Logic as a clip launcher today and I’m not sure it’ll replace Launchpad for that or not, but I was having fun with it. I just love the live effects in Launchpad that adds flavor to all my weird drones. But I can see myself using Logics clip launcher a bit.
I will say, after using on Logic for the last 3-ish weeks coming back to C3 and Zenbeats feels a bit strange. So who knows maybe I’m warming up to Logic after all 😂 I tried starting a new project in each of them and it did feel a littler clunkier in retrospect. So I’m gonna continue as I was now. Mostly working in AUM and learning Logic as I go whenever I need it.
Valid point!
Why is blocking even an option then 😂 guess I’ll just politely ignore from now on.
It’s weird the kind of overprotective-ness Logic has induced in some people. And I’ve never even said I hated it or even disliked it. Or even that I didn’t want to use it. I actually have it praise in the comment they replied to, then they said I was offended. Very confusing back and forth there lol.
But I agree. I did some more testing in Logics clip launcher today and actually really enjoyed it. Then went back and tried to start new projects in Zenbeats and C3 and found them clunky so I guess I’m somewhat getting used to Logic. Even if it’s just as a mastering tool and clip launcher, I can see it being useful. Like you, a timeline just isn’t really what I’m into using most of the time. Just here and there.
I guess the block function is there so you can tell someone 'I've blocked you'. That might feel kind of satisfying for a minute, but it would be a hollow victory from there. I've only ever blocked one person (without announcing it) but just unblocked them as I quickly realised how shite the function is). Now I tend to either just stand my ground against bullies or annoying people, or just try to practice my good old analogue ignoring skills.
So many of us don't yet have an iPad that even runs Logic Pro... This whole DAW takeover has been a spectator sport.
Yeah I can imagine that might have been quite annoying. Thankfully, the front page is now once again mostly non-Logic focused, and I guess it will stay that way until at least the first major update.
This. If I don't have a decent and polite comeback, I simply flag and move on. Easy as that.
So far I see nothing to flag here in this thread. Just two people having a mild difference of opinion.
Yeah. Oh it definitely takes very major harassment for me to want to flag someone, apart from the obvious spam bots / AI experiments
Same here actually. So far things are rather chill.