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Would love feedback on Erae Touch MPE controller

gkillmastergkillmaster
in Hardware

If anyone has used this extensively, I keep going back and forth on it. It's expensive so I want to have a thorough understanding the quality and how it compares to other touch surfaces in terms of playability and sensitivity. The main thing I hear people complain about is that you have to apply a baseline amount of pressure to get it to respond. Others say it's really sensitive so curious how this is for most users.

Thanks!

Greg

Comments

  • Danny_MammyDanny_Mammy
    edited June 2023

    looks very cool plus midi 2.0 enabled.

  • gkillmastergkillmaster

    @Danny_Mammy said:
    looks very cool plus midi 2.0 enabled.

    Yes. And I can't help but wonder if 2.0 will bring higher resolution hardware in the future.

  • Danny_MammyDanny_Mammy
    edited June 2023

    @gkillmaster said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:
    looks very cool plus midi 2.0 enabled.

    Yes. And I can't help but wonder if 2.0 will bring higher resolution hardware in the future.

    Yep, you go from MIDI 1.0 with 127 step velocity resolution to MIDI 2.0 with 65536 step velocity resolution I believe.

  • gkillmastergkillmaster

    @Danny_Mammy said:

    @gkillmaster said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:
    looks very cool plus midi 2.0 enabled.

    Yes. And I can't help but wonder if 2.0 will bring higher resolution hardware in the future.

    Yep, you go from MIDI 1.0 with 127 step velocity resolution to MIDI 2.0 velocity with 65536 step velocity resolution I believe.

    O wow! I wonder if the Erae Touch can take advantage of that extra resolution in the hardware. I think it was originally designed pre MIDI 2.0.

  • BruquesBruques

    I bought in December, following on from using Linnstrument 200 and also Roli Lightpads as far as MPE. I haven't enjoyed using Erae Touch for playing expressively, so answering your question on playability and sensitivity, Linnstrument is in my personal finding much better, setting the Erae Touch note layout small enough to be ergonomically useful to me resulted in adjacent notes not triggering properly, IE the layout had to be big, what I felt was too big, to be for me usable, and no its not particularly sensitive. You have to hit the Erae Touch much harder to register something having happened than on the Linnstrument which I barely need to brush if I so configure it. The Linnstrument's playability and sensitivity to me is perfect
    Erae Touch has some other functionality as far as designing a layout of various different UI components that I can't do on Linnstrument so there's that,
    I also don' t like that the Erae Touch needs mains power, can't be USB powered, and it draws more than my Harley Benton can supply. That is a truly annoying consideration for live and on the move scenarios.

    I will keep it as a historical artefact but I since bought a second smaller Linnstrument 128 to go with the Linnstrument 200 and the Erae Touch is now a museum piece.

    I have not yet played a Haken Continuum, and I'm not interested in the Expressive E, so I don't have comparisons with those.

  • Danny_MammyDanny_Mammy

    @gkillmaster said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:

    @gkillmaster said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:
    looks very cool plus midi 2.0 enabled.

    Yes. And I can't help but wonder if 2.0 will bring higher resolution hardware in the future.

    Yep, you go from MIDI 1.0 with 127 step velocity resolution to MIDI 2.0 velocity with 65536 step velocity resolution I believe.

    O wow! I wonder if the Erae Touch can take advantage of that extra resolution in the hardware. I think it was originally designed pre MIDI 2.0.

    yep, if the Erae Touch can take full advantage of midi 2.0 is another question..

  • gkillmastergkillmaster

    @Bruques said:
    I bought in December, following on from using Linnstrument 200 and also Roli Lightpads as far as MPE. I haven't enjoyed using Erae Touch for playing expressively, so answering your question on playability and sensitivity, Linnstrument is in my personal finding much better, setting the Erae Touch note layout small enough to be ergonomically useful to me resulted in adjacent notes not triggering properly, IE the layout had to be big, what I felt was too big, to be for me usable, and no its not particularly sensitive. You have to hit the Erae Touch much harder to register something having happened than on the Linnstrument which I barely need to brush if I so configure it. The Linnstrument's playability and sensitivity to me is perfect
    Erae Touch has some other functionality as far as designing a layout of various different UI components that I can't do on Linnstrument so there's that,
    I also don' t like that the Erae Touch needs mains power, can't be USB powered, and it draws more than my Harley Benton can supply. That is a truly annoying consideration for live and on the move scenarios.

    I will keep it as a historical artefact but I since bought a second smaller Linnstrument 128 to go with the Linnstrument 200 and the Erae Touch is now a museum piece.

    I have not yet played a Haken Continuum, and I'm not interested in the Expressive E, so I don't have comparisons with those.

    This is super helpful. Thanks for your thoughts!!

  • Stuntman_mikeStuntman_mike

    @Danny_Mammy said:

    @gkillmaster said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:
    looks very cool plus midi 2.0 enabled.

    Yes. And I can't help but wonder if 2.0 will bring higher resolution hardware in the future.

    Yep, you go from MIDI 1.0 with 127 step velocity resolution to MIDI 2.0 with 65536 step velocity resolution I believe.

    Holy moly

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @Danny_Mammy said:

    @gkillmaster said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:

    @gkillmaster said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:
    looks very cool plus midi 2.0 enabled.

    Yes. And I can't help but wonder if 2.0 will bring higher resolution hardware in the future.

    Yep, you go from MIDI 1.0 with 127 step velocity resolution to MIDI 2.0 velocity with 65536 step velocity resolution I believe.

    O wow! I wonder if the Erae Touch can take advantage of that extra resolution in the hardware. I think it was originally designed pre MIDI 2.0.

    yep, if the Erae Touch can take full advantage of midi 2.0 is another question..

    Can your apps take advantage of it? I mean could you use that hi res midi with auv3s loaded in aum or logic for example?

  • Danny_MammyDanny_Mammy
    edited June 2023

    @Gavinski said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:

    @gkillmaster said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:

    @gkillmaster said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:
    looks very cool plus midi 2.0 enabled.

    Yes. And I can't help but wonder if 2.0 will bring higher resolution hardware in the future.

    Yep, you go from MIDI 1.0 with 127 step velocity resolution to MIDI 2.0 velocity with 65536 step velocity resolution I believe.

    O wow! I wonder if the Erae Touch can take advantage of that extra resolution in the hardware. I think it was originally designed pre MIDI 2.0.

    yep, if the Erae Touch can take full advantage of midi 2.0 is another question..

    Can your apps take advantage of it? I mean could you use that hi res midi with auv3s loaded in aum or logic for example?

    if the apps and AUv3 are midi 2.0 enabled and the iPad/iPhone is itself midi 2.0 enabled and of course the midi controller you use is midi 2.0 enabled.

    i believe MultiTrackStudio for iPad is midi 2.0 enabled.

  • BruquesBruques

    @gkillmaster said:

    @Bruques said:
    I bought in December, following on from using Linnstrument 200 and also Roli Lightpads as far as MPE. I haven't enjoyed using Erae Touch for playing expressively, so answering your question on playability and sensitivity, Linnstrument is in my personal finding much better, setting the Erae Touch note layout small enough to be ergonomically useful to me resulted in adjacent notes not triggering properly, IE the layout had to be big, what I felt was too big, to be for me usable, and no its not particularly sensitive. You have to hit the Erae Touch much harder to register something having happened than on the Linnstrument which I barely need to brush if I so configure it. The Linnstrument's playability and sensitivity to me is perfect
    Erae Touch has some other functionality as far as designing a layout of various different UI components that I can't do on Linnstrument so there's that,
    I also don' t like that the Erae Touch needs mains power, can't be USB powered, and it draws more than my Harley Benton can supply. That is a truly annoying consideration for live and on the move scenarios.

    I will keep it as a historical artefact but I since bought a second smaller Linnstrument 128 to go with the Linnstrument 200 and the Erae Touch is now a museum piece.

    I have not yet played a Haken Continuum, and I'm not interested in the Expressive E, so I don't have comparisons with those.

    This is super helpful. Thanks for your thoughts!!

    I would maybe add a consideration about what Embodme is. These guys are technologists/product designers not specfically instrument makers. They're doing remarkable work. But I don't know if I believe they'll even be making instruments in 5 years time. At risk of reaching unfounded opinions, I would hedge a bet Linn will figure out how to support the community for as long as he's breathing and beyond. I definitely wouldn't bet on that with Embodme.

  • heshes

    Some investigation at the Erae Touch community forums would probably be useful: https://embodme.freshdesk.com/support/discussions

    And a search for 'Erae Touch' at KVR forums will turn up much more info than here at ABF. E.g., this thread:
    https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=592719&hilit=erae

  • gkillmastergkillmaster

    @hes said:
    Some investigation at the Erae Touch community forums would probably be useful: https://embodme.freshdesk.com/support/discussions

    And a search for 'Erae Touch' at KVR forums will turn up much more info than here at ABF. E.g., this thread:
    https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=592719&hilit=erae

    Thanks @hes , I didn't think about the Embodme forum. Much appreciated.

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