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Waverly Instruments "Percstation" plug-in?

https://cherryaudio.com/videos/percstation-for-voltage-modular

Now... can we get this brought over as a standalone + Audio Unit to iPadOS and macOS?

Comments

  • Didn’t someone say cherry say “no” to iOS ?

  • @fearandloathing said:
    Didn’t someone say cherry say “no” to iOS ?

    I asked, got this back;

    “Hi, no we do not have plans for IOS.
    Thanks for the suggestion.” - Cherry Audio

  • edited June 2023

    Is that this Waverley?

    https://apps.apple.com/tt/developer/rob-jackson/id1072346998

    As this is no cherry audio product, but just a third party module for voltage modular, I suspect the Dev might bring it to iOS, even if cherry audio don't port their stuff... Who knows.

  • @Slush said:

    @fearandloathing said:
    Didn’t someone say cherry say “no” to iOS ?

    I asked, got this back;

    “Hi, no we do not have plans for IOS.
    Thanks for the suggestion.” - Cherry Audio

    Yes it was slush !

  • edited June 2023

    When Apple make it as easy to develop stuff like this for their platform, as Cherry Audio do for theirs, we'll port it. Don't hold your breath... :smile:

    Developing PERCSTATION for Voltage Modular was an absolute joy. Developing (and maintaining...) PERCSTATION for iOS would be, imho, a nightmare, take perhaps 4-5 times longer and we'd probably have demands that it should be sold for half the price. What would you do?

    Sorry guys, I know that's not what you want to hear, but now you know. I wish the situation was different, I really do.

    -Rob @ Waverley Instruments

  • @moodscaper said:
    When Apple make it as easy to develop stuff like this for their platform, as Cherry Audio do for theirs, we'll port it. Don't hold your breath... :smile:

    Developing PERCSTATION for Voltage Modular was an absolute joy. Developing (and maintaining...) PERCSTATION for iOS would be, imho, a nightmare, take perhaps 4-5 times longer and we'd probably have demands that it should be sold for half the price. What would you do?

    Sorry guys, I know that's not what you want to hear, but now you know. I wish the situation was different, I really do.

    -Rob @ Waverley Instruments

    Understandable! Appreciate the transparency 👍🏻 love your work!

  • edited June 2023

    @moodscaper said:

    When Apple make it as easy to develop stuff like this for their platform, as Cherry Audio do for theirs, we'll port it. Don't hold your breath... :smile:

    Developing PERCSTATION for Voltage Modular was an absolute joy. Developing (and maintaining...) PERCSTATION for iOS would be, imho, a nightmare, take perhaps 4-5 times longer and we'd probably have demands that it should be sold for half the price. What would you do?

    Sorry guys, I know that's not what you want to hear, but now you know. I wish the situation was different, I really do.

    -Rob @ Waverley Instruments

    But you wouldn’t get me nagging you for CV inputs on iOS… 😆

  • @moodscaper said:
    When Apple make it as easy to develop stuff like this for their platform, as Cherry Audio do for theirs, we'll port it. Don't hold your breath... :smile:

    Developing PERCSTATION for Voltage Modular was an absolute joy. Developing (and maintaining...) PERCSTATION for iOS would be, imho, a nightmare, take perhaps 4-5 times longer and we'd probably have demands that it should be sold for half the price. What would you do?

    Sorry guys, I know that's not what you want to hear, but now you know. I wish the situation was different, I really do.

    -Rob @ Waverley Instruments

    What about as a standalone and Audio Unit for macOS?

  • Hey Rob, good to hear from you. Hope you are well. Quick question, what is it that Cherry audio provide that you don’t see from Apple? As a developer, I’m curious thanks.

  • edited June 2023

    @HotStrange - many thanks, and appreciate your understanding and kind words.

    Hey @gusgranite - small world! :D Funnily enough, the CV I/O we talked about on FB is top of the list right now for the next update ;)

    @NeuM - Voltage Modular itself can run as an AU or VST and the basic version is free. You'd just need to add PERCSTATION, make a few cable connections and you're good to go. And it would take longer to develop PERCSTATION as a standalone AU than it would to make it a module for VM.

    Hi @ik2000 I'm good thanks and hope you are too!

    Disclaimer: a very personal and very subjective opinion...

    A very quick answer would be that, to my mind, Cherry Audio provide a better overall development experience when developing a module, compared with developing an AU using Apple's tools and tech stack.

    Why do I think that?

    Cherry Audio provide a small, but perfectly-formed library of classes for things like oscillators, envelopes, filters and even some basic effects. Sure, you could use JUCE or AudioKit on iOS, but Apple don't provide or support anything like that (err... Core Audio or MIDI? :'( ) - in fact it often looks to me like Apple are hellbent on breaking 3rd party SDKs! :disappointed:

    Speaking of which, when a new macOS comes out, and all the plugins stop working, that's on Cherry Audio to fix, not me. That's a big deal as testing a plugin on every DAW with every OS update and developing workarounds is almost a full-time job in itself.

    Being able to do all your development in one mature and powerful programming language is also a big plus. Given that I can do sample-accurate jitter-free DSP in Java in VM, but I can't do that with Swift on iOS, is disappointing to say the least. Instead I have to do the hardcore stuff in C++, the UI in Swift, then glue it together with Objective-C. I think that also adds to your development time.

    Audio and MIDI processing in VM is done at the sample level. I don't have to worry about buffer sizes, sample rates, time-stamping and so on. That makes life so much easier!

    Cherry Audio are much smaller than Apple. Yeah, I know, newsflash, but why is that a good thing from my perspective? Because when I submit a module for review it often gets turned around in a few hours. I actually speak to the guy doing the review if there are questions / problems, and they know what they're talking about. Compare that to how many times you've had an AU submission rejected by Apple because it doesn't have a UI... :| Same thing if I get stuck - you're probably getting an answer from one of their own dev team. What do you get now as an Apple Developer - 2 or 3 support questions per year? Also, on the size thing, when you launch something new for VM, it might catch the eye of their marketing guy and he'll go out of his way to help with newsletter shout-outs and social media. That's a HUGE help when you're a small outfit like Waverley Instruments and don't have a big promo budget. Imagine Apple doing that?

    And finally, the most subjective point of all... I find developing for VM to be (relatively) easy, fun and rewarding with virtually nothing coming up in the way of frustrations or disappointments. The complete opposite is true with my limited experience of developing AUs for iOS.

    Like I say, subjective, different strokes and all that, but that's where I'm at right now.

    Cheers, -Rob @ WI

  • Hey Rob, that’s a pretty comprehensive response. Thanks for that. Would make much more sense for Apple to provide a better developer journey for sure, but guess they are just not that invested in the smaller developers which is a shame as I think your apps are definitely amongst the most original on the platform.

  • @moodscaper said:

    Disclaimer: a very personal and very subjective opinion...

    This is sobering and enlightening at the same time. Thank you for the explanation. 👍

  • @ervin said:

    @moodscaper said:

    Disclaimer: a very personal and very subjective opinion...

    This is sobering and enlightening at the same time. Thank you for the explanation. 👍

    Now y’all know why developing moderately sophisticated apps on iOS for many devs is a ROI sinkhole.

    @moodscaper still love your iOS apps. Have you looked at VULT for DSP audio programming?

  • Good to hear your well Rob ( @moodscaper ), I’m still waiting for the AUV3 version of touchscaper though 😊😢🙏🤣

  • @GeoTony said:
    Good to hear your well Rob ( @moodscaper ), I’m still waiting for the AUV3 version of touchscaper though 😊😢🙏🤣

    Let me join you so you're not alone, as it may be a long wait... 😀

    Speaking of Touchscaper, I had a chat with an older neighbour this last weekend and he mentioned that he regretted not ever having learned to play an instrument. I asked him if he had an ipad, he said he got one from his wife as a gift just days before. I downloaded Garageband on his device for "normal" instruments, and showed him Touchscaper for something special. His wife has since regretted the purchase... 😀👍

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