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Moog DFAM or Mother 32 users- sync questions
I have a Mother-32 and D-FAM on the way to me. The M32 has MIDI in so I can sync that from my DAW (Logic on laptop). I read that I won't be able to sync the DFAM to the M32 if the M32 is receiving MIDI clock. Can anyone confirm that?
So how can I sync them both to tempo? Will the Korg SyncKontrol app help me here?
I don't mind a workflow that involves recording one synth at a time as overdubs, I just want to be able to sync their tempos to audio in Logic. I'm not opposed to buying some other piece of hardware if I need it.
BTW, I know very very little about modular synthesis. I mostly play guitar. Thanks for any help.
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SyncKontrol would work but you will need to boost the output with a mixer.
You can sync the DFAM to the M32 with a few different methods. You could simply use the Gate output or use the assignable output set to clock output.
There are more ways, that’s just what I can remember. It’s been a minute since I owned them.
@BroCoast is correct. I’m a current owner, FWIW. Sync M32 via MIDI, then sync the DFAM to the M32 using the assignable out set to a regular clock. Connect to the advance patch point on the DFAM. If you use gate out from the M32 and your sequence has rests, you’ll get an irregular clock where the DFAM advances when a note fires from your sequence. Which can be exactly what you want, in some circumstances, though “normally” you want a regular clock.
TLDR: the info you’ve picked up is incorrect: you can still sync the DFAM to the M32 when the M32 is synced to MIDI clock.
@BroCoast and @bygjohn Thank you both for the replies!
This is good news. I really appreciate the help. I've got the manuals, I've looked at videos, but I still have to wrap my head around the architecture of synths and learn the modular vocabulary. It's a little daunting to me.
It will take a while to figure out the best way of doing things for your flow.
My advice is to record everything through this learning stage. You never know what will happen and will gain a ton of cool ideas from the experimentation process.
That's a great idea, I'm going to do that.
That’s excellent advice. There are lots of sweet spots that you’ll find by accident - you can be patching and fiddling for ages and nothing useful seems to be happening and then you’ll suddenly do something and they’ll magically start to sing together.
As others have pointed out, you can sync the DFAM to the M32 sequencer using the Assign jack. It works really well assuming that you want to use the M32’s sequencer, but if you wanted to play the M32 via your MIDI keyboard, you can actually sync Logic to the DFAM using Smart Tempo.
I’ve not tried it in Logic but I use it a lot in Ableton Live and it’s fairly sturdy!
Smart tempo sounds interesting, I've never tried it but that is something I could use. I will read up on it. Thanks.
The DFAM and M32 arrived today. There are no surprises since I watched and listened to so many videos. They make a good pair, the syncing from Logic to the M32 is tight, everything is working. I've had a fun evening goofing around and learning some things. The patching is not as confusing as I feared. They both sound great!
Glad you’re enjoying them!
Thanks @bygjohn. I really like them both, I like the M32 more than I thought I would. I just figured if I want anything Moog, now is a good time to get it, and these are relatively affordable and on sale now at various online stores.
I have been patching from the diagrams in the Moog patch book. Some of the routings confuse me, I still wonder "why is that patched there?" a lot.
I was thinking of upgrading the DFAM's tiny knobs (Thonk store) but maybe I'll leave them alone and get some patch sheets instead. Did you upgrade your DFAM knobs?
I wouldn’t worry too much about the confusion re patching. It goes with the territory! Try disconnecting and reconnecting things to see what effect it has on what you’re hearing to get a bit more of an idea what’s going on. Part of the fun, though, is discovery. That said, I’ve ended up taking a course to get a better grip on what does what so I can patch more intentionally. Not suggesting you do that, though: there’s a money and time commitment, and you’ve just committed enough of both buying the instruments. There are lots of places on YouTube where you can gather patch ideas (stopping the video and looking at what’s patched where is a useful tip).
Also it can be useful to think of both instruments as a collection of modules, particularly when you patch between them. A useful starting point is Jakob Haq’s video where a guy from Moog tries to persuade him about patch cables and modular - the Moog guy makes a wonderful performance and also shows his thinking as he goes through patching it up. Incidentally it must have worked, as Jakob has bought a Mavis and is looking at building a Eurorack setup!
I haven’t upgraded my DFAM knobs, though I’ve considered it. More inertia on my part than anything else - it’d be a help when fine tuning, for a start, if you’re using the sequencers for pitched sounds.
Thanks for the video link! That is really going to help.
I also think a course would be good for me. I'm going to surf around and see what's out there. I know this will be a slow process to understanding, I need to enjoy all the noises made along the way.
Edit: It's funny, the mindset I get in with these synths is weird but joyful. I spent an hour this morning trying to figure out how to use all the M32 and DFAM oscillators at once. Very rewarding, now it's a three oscillator Moog mono synth with two filters.
But the big moment came when I figured out how to patch the M32 VCF Mod into the DFAM and created a wobbling filter that sounded like tremolo. Wow! I threw my hands up in victory. Then I looked over at my pedalboard and there's a tremolo on it, I could have justed pushed a button, boop, there's tremolo. haha
Anyway, the patch sounds great and I feel like I invented wobble.