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Heavy Metal History - Fact or Fiction?

PREFACE: I purchased and spent a lot of time listening to Black Sabbath and Steppenwolf albums when they first came out. I’d be amiss if I didn’t mention Deep Purple, too, who I also consider one of the first heavy metal type bands of the 60s. And then there was Link Wray in the 50s. Man, that cat could “Rumble.” On with the story. I’ve since grown up and don’t much care for heavy metal anymore. But I thought all of you who are (still) heavy metal fans or have an interest in that music, would enjoy the following article.

As for growing up, I say to all of you much younger, don’t kid yourselves. I think we all grow up and end up a lot like our Dads. You know, those people we considered, “Old Fogeys?” Yup, that will be you one day, too! LOL

At the very least, this is an entertaining and interesting read:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19401159.2013.846655

Comments

  • Not everybody goes thu that Old Fogey cycle. I am in my early fifties and I still love heavy metal. I was a teen in the 80’s and loved thrash metal. Then I went onto heavier stuff.

    Have my musical taste widened, absolutely. I went back to find out all the influence of my influence. Deep purple is one o my favorite. Lately I been getting into the Beatles.

    I got into electronic music in the early 2000 but I prefer the harder style.

    Loving heavy metal does not stop me from enjoying 50’s Doo wop music 😎

  • edited June 2023

    You’re still in your early 50s. That’s not old. Just wait! LOL

    I grew up watching teenagers standing on the corner necking to Roy Orbison’s, Pretty Woman, coming out of the brand new transistor radio he had (Dad’s car radio was tube, TVs were Black n White, color TV wasn’t out yet). Then they separate and walk their separate way home. This was before The Beatles, of course.

    Buddy Holly was on the radio in those days influencing John & Paul. And Carl Perkins was influencing George Harrison.

  • @Johne1 said:
    You’re still in your early 50s. That’s not old. Just wait! LOL

    I grew up watching teenagers standing on the corner necking to Roy Orbison’s, Pretty Woman, coming out of the brand new transistor radio he had (Dad’s car radio was tube, TVs were Black n White, color TV wasn’t out yet). Then they separate and walk their separate way home. This was before The Beatles, of course.

    Buddy Holly was on the radio in those days influencing John & Paul. And Carl Perkins was influencing George Harrison.

    Well I am no spring chicken. 😁 How hold are you ? From what you say I would guess in your 70’s. At what age did you stop listening to the harder stuff?

    Some people listen to a certain music because it’s the music of their generation. Others have a love of the style. I can already tell in my circle of friend those who have moved on to Céline Dion and those who still love metal.

  • @ecou said:

    >

    I got into electronic music in the early 2000 but I prefer the harder style.

    Loving heavy metal does not stop me from enjoying 50’s Doo wop music 😎

    The problem I had with electronic music was that I could already play instruments and in the day time I was a programmer. So, I wasn’t driven to learn how to program electronic music when I could just pick up or sit down with an instrument and start playing music. Physical limitations changed all that. Now I appreciate what I can do with an audio interface and midi controllers, etc. I admit it, I was stuck in my ways. Probably because I played music for my and others entertainment and I wasn’t trying to be an artist. After Jimi Hendrix and then seeing and meeting Joe Pass, I was like wow. I need to go home and practice and learn how to play the guitar a lot, lot better. Joe Pass blew my mind. Watching him thinking, Wow, we think Jimi is the baddest cat on a guitar, but Jimi can’t do what Joe’s doing!

  • Also I grew up listening to Roy Orbison too because it was one of my mothers favorite.

    I am also a musician since my teen.and a programmer in my day job. Some how I enjoy programming music. Most of my musician friend find it a sacrilege 😂. It is part of my journey of learning mixing and mastering.

    I understand what you mean about Jimi and Joe Pass. In my generation it was Yngwie Malmsteen that blew everybody socks off. Eddie Van Halen was a bad cat but could not do what Yngwie did. Funny how history repeats itself. 👍

  • Yup, it sure does repeat. Even Elvis said Roy was the best singer. A sacrilege. LOL

    Here’s a little interesting trivia for ya. Yamaha gave Stevie Wonder the first synthesizer they ever made back in the 60s. I don’t think many people realize that Stevie was using synthesizers before everyone else. Moog synthesizers didn’t exist yet at that time.

  • @Johne1 said:
    Yup, it sure does repeat. Even Elvis said Roy was the best singer. A sacrilege. LOL

    Here’s a little interesting trivia for ya. Yamaha gave Stevie Wonder the first synthesizer they ever made back in the 60s. I don’t think many people realize that Stevie was using synthesizers before everyone else. Moog synthesizers didn’t exist yet at that time.

    Interesting ! Stevie is one bad cat too!

    Do you have any of your music I could listen too?

  • Nothing I can send out right now.

  • @Johne1 said:
    You’re still in your early 50s. That’s not old. Just wait! LOL

    I grew up watching teenagers standing on the corner necking to Roy Orbison’s, Pretty Woman, coming out of the brand new transistor radio he had (Dad’s car radio was tube, TVs were Black n White, color TV wasn’t out yet). Then they separate and walk their separate way home. This was before The Beatles, of course.

    Buddy Holly was on the radio in those days influencing John & Paul. And Carl Perkins was influencing George Harrison.

    Hehe, 'necking', ahh that takes me back to 'Happy Days' ;)

  • @Johne1 said:

    ……. After Jimi Hendrix and then seeing and meeting Joe Pass, I was like wow. I need to go home and practice and learn how to play the guitar a lot, lot better. Joe Pass blew my mind. Watching him thinking, Wow, we think Jimi is the baddest cat on a guitar, but Jimi can’t do what Joe’s doing!

    Also, great as Joe Pass was (don’t get me wrong he was a monster player and one of the greats), he couldn’t do what Hendrix did either.

    Hendrix may not have head Pass’ technical skills or mastery of jazz harmony, but Hendrix at his best had a soulfulness, abandon and expressiveness that still stands out and sets him apart. I think we sometimes overlook expressive virtuosity as being a skill as hard to master as fast note-playing.

    He heard places to go as a means to expression that no one had previously put together in one package even though elements of his package were already in play. Playing clean, he has a unique and expressive way that he plays with time and accent … and his use of feedback and tone and his masterful (and sometimes wild) string-bending changed the vocabulary of the instrument. I don’t think any single player since his era has had such an influence on what it meant to play guitar as Hendrix. (Just as Jaco changed what it meant to be an electric bass player). He didn’t have Coltrane’s technical mastery but he had a similar expressive mastery, imo.

    There is a reason Miles Davis was blown away when he heard Hendrix.

    It is easier to superficially imitate Hendrix than someone like Joe Pass but few do so really successfully, imo. I think there have been so many that have achieved more technical mastery than Hendrix that we sometimes overlook the revolution in expressiveness that he brought … and sadly… most players seem more interested in being fast than expressive.

    I was not super impressed with Hendrix when I was coming of age musically in the 70s. But somewhere along the way, a jazz musician friend (monster player) got me listening more carefully and made me realize that Hendrix at his best found sounds and rhythmic nuances that was so expressive and emotional in ways few musicians achieve.

  • Stevie Ray Vaughan had that emotive skill, too. If it hasn’t got heart and soul, then it’s just noise. I think that’s true, no matter the genre.

  • I haven’t read the article, will have a look later on, but it seems a bit dry…

    I’m in my early 60s and definitely not turning into my Dad, musically at least!

    I got into hard/heavy rock in my early teens, after already developing a taste for soul and reggae, and also around the same time discovered Tangerine Dream and Kraftwerk a little later when Autobahn came out. Plus a bunch of other European stuff, from prog like Focus to bands like Can etc.

    At the time it wasn’t called heavy metal at all, just hard or heavy rock, or even prog (in the case of Purple and Zeppelin). I could well be wrong on this, but I first recall it being called that by punk/new wave journalists as a way to dismiss it. I’ve never quite lost my taste for it, though I’ve had patches where I didn’t listen to it much. I tend to be picky about my metal: mainly what’s now called stoner/doom, ie slow and Sabbathy, with a side order of German industrial metal, ie Rammstein and similar. I was never a huge fan of lightweight US hair metal and similar. However, I have a soft spot for Zeppelin and Sabbath, and AC/DC.

    Meanwhile, electronic music is what I do, as is much of what I listen to now.

    I don’t genre restrict myself - in fact I regard genre labels as useful in a broad brush sense, but otherwise classifying music into minute little boxes seems like a waste of time. What has been a noticeable change as I’ve got older is a growing respect for music I don’t necessarily like, but can appreciate the skill that goes into making it, while my own tastes broadened hugely from the 80s onwards.

    Interesting factoid: there’s a track on an early Kraftwerk album called Heavy Metal Kids, well before people were using the term for the music.

  • @ecou said:

    @Johne1 said:
    Yup, it sure does repeat. Even Elvis said Roy was the best singer. A sacrilege. LOL

    Here’s a little interesting trivia for ya. Yamaha gave Stevie Wonder the first synthesizer they ever made back in the 60s. I don’t think many people realize that Stevie was using synthesizers before everyone else. Moog synthesizers didn’t exist yet at that time.

    Interesting ! Stevie is one bad cat too!

    Do you have any of your music I could listen too?

    I went through what I think is @Gavinski ’s latest Rozeta Suite Tutorial and created the following:

    I had to improvise because Gav used some apps I don’t have yet.

    I’ll admit, this isn’t music, yet. Just noise. But it’s a start. I’ve been learning all the products in the following MIDI Routing diagram, including AUM and more. In between all this learning, I’ve been beta testing for a major iPad vendor and undergoing some major medical procedures and tests. Oh, yeah, and getting rides to and from places to walk my sweet Black Lab rescue dog. So, I’ve had my hands full.

    So, excuse this “…non-productive old guy…” as I prove to the one that left that comment that I am NOT non-productive!

    ATTACHED: The boring repetive noise I generated with Rozeta Suite sequencers.

    Thank you, @Gavinski , for helping me get this far in one video tutorial!

    It’s nothing like what I can play on real instruments, but that’s when I could stand for hours and gig.
    Those days are done for me.

    John

  • @Johne1 said:
    PREFACE: I purchased and spent a lot of time listening to Black Sabbath and Steppenwolf albums when they first came out. I’d be amiss if I didn’t mention Deep Purple, too, who I also consider one of the first heavy metal type bands of the 60s. And then there was Link Wray in the 50s. Man, that cat could “Rumble.” On with the story. I’ve since grown up and don’t much care for heavy metal anymore. But I thought all of you who are (still) heavy metal fans or have an interest in that music, would enjoy the following article.

    As for growing up, I say to all of you much younger, don’t kid yourselves. I think we all grow up and end up a lot like our Dads. You know, those people we considered, “Old Fogeys?” Yup, that will be you one day, too! LOL

    At the very least, this is an entertaining and interesting read:

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19401159.2013.846655

    I really like how you trace the heavy metal line from Link Wray through Steppenwolf to Black Sabbath. That really does make sense.
    I think another seminal act in the path of heavy music with menacing/sullen vibes (a trait also shared with the above artists) was The Animals. They sounded unlike any of the other great British Invasion groups of the time. Hell, they made the Yardbirds sound chirpy. Also compare their filmed performances to their peers; Burdon, Valentine, and the rest of The Animals give nothing but sneers and blank or heavy-lidded stares while Keith Richard was still grinning away and shaking his head like a moptop.

    Once again, I like the way you think!

  • edited July 2023

    I also thoroughly enjoyed the linked article.
    It had me really geeking out, but in a good way.
    I’ve always been a bit of a compulsive reader, and after I discovered rock journalism I ate the stuff up with the same hunger I felt for paperbacks from the 50s, random encyclopedias, or the backs of cereal boxes.
    It was really a blast recognizing almost every writer mentioned and often having read the reviews under discussion.
    Here I have to confess that I actually read the Bangs/Black Sabbath and Saunders/Sir Lord Baltimore pieces just last week. I have a $5/month (CHEAP AT TWICE THE PRICE!)
    subscription to the Creem Magazine archives, and read them both during the same insomnia jag. I will grow up one day.

    Disclaimer: I do not work for Creem Magazine or any of its subsidiaries, but for me, access to those archives is a pleasure memory machine or a trip to those times before my eyes were opened. Only $5 a month. You can cancel any time.

    Thanks for sharing the article.

  • @JeffChasteen said:

    @Johne1 said:
    PREFACE: I purchased and spent a lot of time listening to Black Sabbath and Steppenwolf albums when they first came out. I’d be amiss if I didn’t mention Deep Purple, too, who I also consider one of the first heavy metal type bands of the 60s. And then there was Link Wray in the 50s. Man, that cat could “Rumble.” On with the story. I’ve since grown up and don’t much care for heavy metal anymore. But I thought all of you who are (still) heavy metal fans or have an interest in that music, would enjoy the following article.

    As for growing up, I say to all of you much younger, don’t kid yourselves. I think we all grow up and end up a lot like our Dads. You know, those people we considered, “Old Fogeys?” Yup, that will be you one day, too! LOL

    At the very least, this is an entertaining and interesting read:

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19401159.2013.846655

    I really like how you trace the heavy metal line from Link Wray through Steppenwolf to Black Sabbath. That really does make sense.
    I think another seminal act in the path of heavy music with menacing/sullen vibes (a trait also shared with the above artists) was The Animals. They sounded unlike any of the other great British Invasion groups of the time. Hell, they made the Yardbirds sound chirpy. Also compare their filmed performances to their peers; Burdon, Valentine, and the rest of The Animals give nothing but sneers and blank or heavy-lidded stares while Keith Richard was still grinning away and shaking his head like a moptop.

    Once again, I like the way you think!

    Thanks, Jeff! And, ah, yes, The Animals. Maybe the greatest version of, The House of the Rising Sun. Everyone who heard it caught every word and there was no doubt what that song was about.

  • @ecou said:

    @Johne1 said:
    Yup, it sure does repeat. Even Elvis said Roy was the best singer. A sacrilege. LOL

    Here’s a little interesting trivia for ya. Yamaha gave Stevie Wonder the first synthesizer they ever made back in the 60s. I don’t think many people realize that Stevie was using synthesizers before everyone else. Moog synthesizers didn’t exist yet at that time.

    Interesting ! Stevie is one bad cat too!

    Do you have any of your music I could listen too?

    Every time I hear him it is swinging awe that words can’t really express.
    It happened just yesterday with “I Was Made To Love Her”

  • @JeffChasteen said:
    I also thoroughly enjoyed the linked article.
    It had me really geeking out, but in a good way.
    I’ve always been a bit of a compulsive reader, and after I discovered rock journalism I ate the stuff up with the same hunger I felt for paperbacks from the 50s, random encyclopedias, or the backs of cereal boxes.
    It was really a blast recognizing almost every writer mentioned and often having read the reviews under discussion.
    Here I have to confess that I actually read the Bangs/Black Sabbath and Saunders/Sir Lord Baltimore pieces just last week. I have a $5/month (CHEAP AT TWICE THE PRICE!)
    subscription to the Creem Magazine archives, and read them both during the same insomnia jag. I will grow up one day.

    Disclaimer: I do not work for Creem Magazine or any of its subsidiaries, but for me, access to those archives is a pleasure memory machine or a trip to those times before my eyes were opened. Only $5 a month. You can cancel any time.

    Thanks for sharing the article.

    You’re welcome. Glad you enjoyed the article.

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