Dyo Expansion Released for Neo-Soul Keys® Studio 2

GospelMusicians

Gospel Musicians releases an authentic Dyno-My-Piano expansion for Neo-Soul Keys® Studio 2 and it available now for purchase. More Information Here - https://gospelmusicians.com/products/dyno-expansion

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NeuM

Sounds great.

GospelMusicians

@NeuM said:
Sounds great.

Thanks...Sometimes it's a bit of "chance" when a library comes out. This one is special.

Gavinski

Beautiful!

HotStrange

Oooo man this sounds great!

Edward_Alexander

I see the iPad version doesn’t include the mic samples, and has less velocity layers, but hey, it’s only $9.99 (intro price?) and I’m a sucker for EP sounds!

GospelMusicians

@Edward_Alexander said:
I see the iPad version doesn’t include the mic samples, and has less velocity layers, but hey, it’s only $9.99 (intro price?) and I’m a sucker for EP sounds!

Yeah…if we hadn’t mentioned it, 99% of musicians would only hear a slight difference. In general 10 velocity layers is usually enough for any piano sound.

Thanks so much for the support though 🙏🏽

musikeer

(Edit) Dumb user error on my part, sorry about that…

espiegel123

@musikeer said:
Will NSKS2 ever be compatible with the iPad Air 5 and iOS 16.5.1 and Cubasis 3? It’s a great sounding app.

In what way isn’t it compatible?

musikeer

User error. My mistake, this was old news about an Air 3 & Cubasis 2. Sorry for the dumb false alarm.

Gavinski

Having used Pianoteq, I beg to differ that 10 velocity layers is enough! It is - but only until you get used to having a lot more, and then it is hard to turn back

Will

This sounds AMAZING.

@GospelMusicians said:

Yeah…if we hadn’t mentioned it, 99% of musicians would only hear a slight difference. In general 10 velocity layers is usually enough for any piano sound.

Indeed... you're classy enough to not mention it but I will: if 10 separate velocity layers doesn't seem to work, the sample layering is probably not the problem. Either get the actual instrument (and learn to love the tuning problems, odd seeming mechanical noises, randomly wonky keys, etc) or re-work your song/playing (much easier/cheaper!).

espiegel123

@Gavinski said:
Having used Pianoteq, I beg to differ that 10 velocity layers is enough! It is - but only until you get used to having a lot more, and then it is hard to turn back

I think there is a misunderstanding here. 10 velocity layers doesn't mean only 10 levels of velocity responsiveness. With 10 velocity layers (even with only one), an instrument can implement a full range of amplitude (dynamic) variation. It is dynamic responsiveness that players will notice most and that is a whole different thing than the number of velocity layers.

Gavinski

@espiegel123 said:

@Gavinski said:
Having used Pianoteq, I beg to differ that 10 velocity layers is enough! It is - but only until you get used to having a lot more, and then it is hard to turn back

I think there is a misunderstanding here. 10 velocity layers doesn't mean only 10 levels of velocity responsiveness. With 10 velocity layers (even with only one), an instrument can implement a full range of amplitude (dynamic) variation. It is dynamic responsiveness that players will notice most and that is a whole different thing than the number of velocity layers.

No, I fully understand that, but when I compare, say, Pianoteq and pure piano, it is easy enough to notice the jumps in tone as Pure Piano moves from one velocity layer to another. Pianoteq doesn’t have this problem and in that sense behaves and sounds much more like a real instrument.

espiegel123

@Gavinski said:

@espiegel123 said:

@Gavinski said:
Having used Pianoteq, I beg to differ that 10 velocity layers is enough! It is - but only until you get used to having a lot more, and then it is hard to turn back

I think there is a misunderstanding here. 10 velocity layers doesn't mean only 10 levels of velocity responsiveness. With 10 velocity layers (even with only one), an instrument can implement a full range of amplitude (dynamic) variation. It is dynamic responsiveness that players will notice most and that is a whole different thing than the number of velocity layers.

No, I fully understand that, but when I compare, say, Pianoteq and pure piano, it is easy enough to notice the jumps in tone as Pure Piano moves from one velocity layer to another. Pianoteq doesn’t have this problem and in that sense behaves and sounds much more like a real instrument.

That may be due to how PurePiano interpolates between layers..or issues with the actual layers they are using...or the dynamic responsiveness. With 10 well-recorded velocity layers, a good implementation of dynamic responsiveness and interpolation between layers, you won't have sudden jumps of tone (unless the instrument itself responds that way).

I've been involved in some blind listenings with people that insisted more layers are better where the listener rankings didn't actually reflect that more layers is the same as better.

I also am skeptical of non-blind tests. All of us are subject to confirmation bias.

This isn't to say that Pianoteq doesn't sound better or is more responsive. I just think there is more to it than the number of velocity layers.

Gavinski

@espiegel123 said:

@Gavinski said:

@espiegel123 said:

@Gavinski said:
Having used Pianoteq, I beg to differ that 10 velocity layers is enough! It is - but only until you get used to having a lot more, and then it is hard to turn back

I think there is a misunderstanding here. 10 velocity layers doesn't mean only 10 levels of velocity responsiveness. With 10 velocity layers (even with only one), an instrument can implement a full range of amplitude (dynamic) variation. It is dynamic responsiveness that players will notice most and that is a whole different thing than the number of velocity layers.

No, I fully understand that, but when I compare, say, Pianoteq and pure piano, it is easy enough to notice the jumps in tone as Pure Piano moves from one velocity layer to another. Pianoteq doesn’t have this problem and in that sense behaves and sounds much more like a real instrument.

That may be due to how PurePiano interpolates between layers..or issues with the actual layers they are using...or the dynamic responsiveness. With 10 well-recorded velocity layers, a good implementation of dynamic responsiveness and interpolation between layers, you won't have sudden jumps of tone (unless the instrument itself responds that way).

I've been involved in some blind listenings with people that insisted more layers are better where the listener rankings didn't actually reflect that more layers is the same as better.

I also am skeptical of non-blind tests. All of us are subject to confirmation bias.

This isn't to say that Pianoteq doesn't sound better or is more responsive. I just think there is more to it than the number of velocity layers.

I get your point now, thanks for the detailed explanation 👍

GospelMusicians

We've done extensive blind tests on our end and even the best musicians cannot tell the difference between 20-velocity layers and 10. You will start to hear "jumps" at about 6, but if sampled the right way, there are no noticeable sounds. The biggest difference is not having the Mic Sustain layer, but even then, we programmed it to sound pretty similar.

Gavinski

Great to hear 🔥