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Looking for a Trance gate that goes beyond one bar at 32nd notes.
Hi everyone,
Well, for a bit of context, a mate and I are looking for a Trance gate app like Perforator and Flux Pro. However, unless I'm overlooking something obvious, those apps seem to only function at one bar only when at 32nd note resolution.
The gating effect we're looking for is at 36s in.
Anyways, using Google gave me a nothingburger in that the only gates I could find are noise gates, and I already have Brusfri and Pro-G for that particular function. Outside of repeating automation (which is easy in NS2 in Obsidian, not so easy in Cubasis 3, lol), what could me and my friend use? Any tips, tricks, and apps are much appreciated. 
Cheers.
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My initial suggestion was going to be both Perforator and Flux Pro... but I wasn't sure regarding the resolution...
The second would be manually repeating automation
Gonna do a double check here
Last time I used a trance gate was with Looptical. I recall it being possible 4 bars with 16th res
Sounds good to me mate. Let me know what your findings are.
Meanwhile, yeah, repeating automation can be either a pain or easy. In apps like NS2 and especially FLSM, it's super easy to repeat automation via clips (although NS2 has this weird hybrid system where some automation can be sequenced in a clip, and other automation is regular track automation lol). Logic Pro is easy to repeat automation when you repeat a section. Not sure if Cubasis 3 has that. I know Korg Gadget has draw-in automation. I don't know anything about Zenbeats, lol.
It wouldn’t be terribly difficult to whip that up in Drambo wouldn’t think.
I didn't consider Drambo lol! The solution for everything. 🤣 P-locks for starters. Patchstorage may have something. I'll look into it tomorrow for sure.
Or set up a square wave to modulate the amplitude of a signal and change the frequency of that square wave. Combine techniques for interesting rhythms.
MiRack could do it, too.
Unless I am missing something that is just 16th notes? You can do that with Drambo or Scatterbrain.
Exactly and I didn't consider Drambo, lol. Sometimes the solution is right there staring at me and I don't even realise it. 😂
MiRack is a bit of a headache for me personally to wrap my head around. Drambo is still a wondrous app I'm still wrapping my head around, but I keep clicking with it.
Have a look at Gatelab, it may fit your need.
Cool! Will check it out!
k-devices' LFOH! ('LFO's audio too)
You don’t need any gate sequencers, just make a muted faux MIDI instrument track and sidechain it to fav compressor on the main track. Send a gated signal to another track for other mangling ideas. That way you can have length whatever is necessary. Be sure that faux instruments have strong signals, also with FAC Envolver you can use the same or another signal to automate some aggressive filter.
Why not just use Pro-G in clean mode with ratio maxed, threshold at zero and use midi note sequence to trigger the gate. Set the attack and release times to taste?
FAC Envolver goes up to 1/128 resolution
How about two (or more) serial instances of Perforator?
admittedly the 32nd is still only one bar, but it would be varied by the 2nd instance when set to 16 or 8th for example.
Polymetric gating, is that a thing?!? I've never though of it before, but will have to go and experiment with that now
That’s basically how The Shamen used to add trance gates to their guitars back in the day before all of this DAW malarkey (they first did it on the „In Gorbachev We Trust“ album but it became a staple of their sound afterwards) : they used to side-chain a noise gate using a programmed hi-hat pattern that was running in sync with the tape via smpte timecode.
If you were going to use Logic (not saying you should), I think the pattern editor is by far the most powerful way to do gating fx (or any step/p-lock fx). If you need to gate an audio track or submix, you can make a track stack and insert pattern regions on the top level. The pattern editor is a very powerful P-Lock style editor.
As you then have regions in the timeline, you can edit every single step in the mix if you want and tweak the odd step that might not sit right in the mix (as you can with automation) but without losing any of the benefits of also having a small sequence that's easy to loop/manage. And the pattern region lanes can control the parameters of multiple plugins as well as volume/pan/etc. so I can control say the volume of the audio track, the pan, the drive on the distortion fx, the filter cutoff of the filter fx etc all in the same pattern region. The pattern editor isn't just for drum machines :-)
As they're regions you can loop them/repeat them in different measures to the main audio (loops three/five bars for example), mute them etc. and place them just where needed. Lots of flexibility on how you configure them which makes arranging much easier (automation in any DAW can get frustrating if you start changing the arrangement around).
Logic also has the stepped automation tool that makes it easy to draw in gates if you prefer to do it with automation.
Just woke up and feeling kind of sleepy, but after reading the Drambo answer and seeing @Samu here...
I just thought that maybe SunVox can do it too, and thought that would be his answer
Well, you could theoretically create an insanely long pattern and let it automate the volume of the amplify module.
A pattern of 16 steps with 'speed 1' would give you one beat with 1/128 resolution and since the pattern length can be 'insane' (ie. well more than 65536 rows which would be a pita to edit though) it's easy to create what ever is needed...
Something like this...
(16-rows at 1/16th (speed 6) notes controlling the volume of the amplify module).
Polymetric gating!? Why didn't I think of that?! That's brill! 😃 (Note to self...use on next ambient piece.)
@everyone Thanks for all the amazing answers thus far. I got plenty of fun ahead of me today.
Thanks for the info, listening to The Shamen for the past hour and it's keeping me awake. 🤩
Thought that everyone was using faux MIDI instrument track for clean sidechaining, or cutting the bass for clean kicks at least. After all, those procedures existed long before the first DAW. 🤔
Very easy in Drambo: All you need is this.
Audio is passed through as long as there's an active note in the sequencer. Define your own patterns with notes and in sequences up to 16 bars long, and have different gating in each pattern if you want.
"G" is the Gate output from MIDI2CV.
Ahhhh, that is so cool!
Thanks mate.