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Solved: Noob LP question - anyone care to share a template setup for a four button MIDI foot pedal?
Hi all,
My recent guitar experiments have revived my interest in looping in general and Loopy Pro in particular. I have the budget 4 buttons M Vave Chocolate Bluetooth pedal and, not being an RTFM sort, wondered if anyone here has already made a Loopy Pro template for a basic looping setup using the four switches to Start Record, Play, Stop, and Overdub on a single loop at a time. If the set up also allows me to step to another donut to rinse and repeat, great. Anyone already made something like this?
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Here are mine for the Chocolate. The first two buttons are for navigating to the working clip and the other two do the work. I find that it's easier to keep separate in my mind getting to the clip I'm working on then just dealing with two buttons. I confuse easily. 😉
I did some special setup in the Chocolate's configuration app to get it to send different CCs on long-press, but you don't have to since Loopy Pro can detect long-press and double-tap.
Button 1 tap (CC 20, On): Select Previous Clip
Button 2 tap (CC 21, On): Select Next Clip
Button 3 tap (CC 22, On): Play/Stop selected clip, record if empty
Button 4 tap (CC 23, On): Record or Stop selected clip, overdub if has audio
(secondary functions)
Button 1 long-press (CC 24 On): Select clip above
Button 2 long-press (CC 25 On): Select clip below
Button 3 long-press (CC 26 On): Start/Stop clock
Button 4 long-press (CC 27 On): Clear selected clip
Button 4 double-tap (CC27 double-tap): Retrospective record on selected clip, overdub if has audio
The reason I went to the trouble to configure the long-press CC's in hardware is then Loopy doesn't have to (slightly) delay tap detection to do it in software. I can help you with the software if you get to that point.
My Blueboard that doesn't have this capability is set up for software detection as follows:
Button 1 tap (C4 On): Select previous clip
Button 2 tap (D4 On): Select next clip
Button 3 tap (E4 On): Play/Stop selected clip, record if empty
Button 4 tap (F4 On): Record or Stop selected clip, overdub if has audio
Button 1 long-press (Hold C4): Select clip above
Button 2 long-press (Hold D4): Select clip below
Button 3 long-press (Hold E4): Start/Stop Clock
Button 4 long-press (Hold F4): Clear selected clip
Button 4 double-tap (Double Tap F4): Retrospective record selected clip, overdub if has audio
(The Blueboard is going to be repurposed for other things such as tempo adjustment)
btw, the Chocolate can be run over USB connection as well, which I would definitely do if working live. It has a different name "SINCO" when connected by USB. But Loopy now makes it easy to copy settings between devices, so you only need to set up the bindings once then copy them.
@wim, you are a legend. Thank you! I don’t need to worry about live, but thanks for the tip re using it also over USB - I didn’t know it did that. I’m with you on the keep it simple front - your Chocolate settings look like exactly what I need. Off to try and get my head around it now…
You'll want the CubeSuite software for Mac (recommended), or the CubeSuite iOS app (OK too but a bit more cryptic) to configure the pedal. The default config isn't great for Loopy Pro.
Hopefully others will chime in with their 4-button setups. Mine may not be the best. It's just easier to keep straight in my own head.
Here's the screen in the Mac app where I set up the tap / long-press options. (Took a long time to figure this out, so posting it to hopefully save you some time.)
And on the iPad app:
I have the much larger Line6 FBV controller, my main issue is still navigating donuts. Even though I have more buttons and can assign top/right/bottom/left it’s still dodgy. I don’t feel confident. Plus, after selecting a clip I still have to press another button to switch inputs or whatever… With multiple sources, parts and so on it gets complicated to do it all from the board.
I’d rather select the clip with my finger. Obviously big downside is you have let go of the guitar or whatever. But I find that navigating the donuts via pressing pedals needs so much focus (which pedal you press depending on where you are “left/down/down/left” or whatever plus looking at the screen to see it it’s getting there) that I can’t really play and do that at the same time.
So far for me it’d be 2 scenarios:
The thing with LP is that it’s sooo powerful and flexible that I want to do it all. But that makes it too human-error prone. I’d need a shitload of hours to be confident do it live. I wish I could come up with a working minimal setup, I’d have to give up flexibility and options. We’re spoiled and having too much has it’s downsides.
PS: I realize this has little to do with the topic, sorry 🤷🏻♂️
Hi, and thanks both for the additional explanation and comments. I was (am) intimidated by all the many things LP can do, which is why I barely touched it since initial purchase. All I want, or need, for it to do right now is the most basic looping off a foot pedal while I ‘play’ my CBG, as I couldn’t find a way to get good loops manually and spontaneously otherwise, and it looks like @wim ’s set up will give that to me.
I take your point, @tahiche, re selecting the next donut by hand, mind, and that makes a lot of sense.
CGB it is! 🤘🤘
Very nice!
Fwiw, I don’t find navigating the selection by pedal to be onerous. I think it is very much a ymmv situation. And also a matter of developing a habit by using one’s template regularly.
And you’re probably right, I haven’t done it nearly enough to get past the “this feels weird and it makes me insecure” stage. Probably has to do with the fact that you press pedals but the display is on the iPad which is something I’m not used to, disassociation. I’m used to pedals where the I press and some state is updated right there, I don’t have to look elsewhere,
I think learning to use foot pedals is like learning to play. Probably when you started playing guitar, you looked at your fingers when you played but once you started playing regularly, you didn’t do that any more.
When I settled on a pedal mapping and used loopy daily, it took a little while to get the “muscle memory” down. During that time, I had to look at the pedals a lot. It wasn’t terribly long once I started using it daily before I realized that I only occasionally needed to glance at the pedals.
Now that I have a couple of templates suited to how I like to work, my rig gets more or less daily use. When it was only sporadic, I had to look at my feet.
All of my templates allow me to manipulate things with my feet or my hands.
I'd rather look at a screen than my feet. I'm almost always just transitioning to the next clip, so just a quick glance at the screen for confirmation I'm on the right clip is all I need.
The M-Vave is much better for me than the BlueBoard. I can feel where the clicky stomp box style switches are without having to look, and can I feel the click. I feel like I need to use the BlueBoard barefoot, and even then I don't have great confidence I've tapped the right thing.
What I love most about Loopy is the quantization options. I love being able to tap ahead of time and know that the action will take place at the right time.