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  • @SecretBaseDesign said:

    @pruddo said:
    you can use @SecretBaseDesign ’s visual synth if you first make a video containing the texts you want to use (made with LumaFusion for instance), then import that video in visual synth, choose cue points and trigger them by MIDI notes..

    With a video that has the text needed -- you could import to Visual Synth, set some queue points, and then use MIDI notes to cue to the right spots. The app is free right now (it's been that way since release).

    I've got an update planned, maybe by the end of the month if I drink enough coffee. A few new features, probably a demo video or two, and it'll likely stop being free.

    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/smashcut-visual-synth/id1493237895

    Aha – that’s excellent, it appears I’ve already got that, ta!

  • .> @u0421793 said:

    For fucks sake, I was made redundant a couple of months ago, I can’t just afford to piss away a fiver like that – I don’t need what amounts to just a bloody video switcher in software, I’ve already got two ATEMs and a Roland V-02HDmkII, the iPad running Keynote goes into those via splitter and a 4x1 multiviewer

    What I really need is Keynote to have better ways of going from screen to screen, it obviously has some ways of doing it outside of the settings in the document, because I can use my Apple Watch to step it forward whenever I want, so it must be possible for other apps to nudge it on

    @wim has already hinted at iOS Accessibility Switch Control which does exactly that. But going from screen to screen isn't the full answer to your original request.
    My only idea is to host Drambo as a plugin and MIDI map each track button to the respective MIDI message sent by your DAW, selecting the respective track with a text box showing a certain text snippet.

  • @u0421793 said:

    @SecretBaseDesign said:

    @pruddo said:
    you can use @SecretBaseDesign ’s visual synth if you first make a video containing the texts you want to use (made with LumaFusion for instance), then import that video in visual synth, choose cue points and trigger them by MIDI notes..

    With a video that has the text needed -- you could import to Visual Synth, set some queue points, and then use MIDI notes to cue to the right spots. The app is free right now (it's been that way since release).

    I've got an update planned, maybe by the end of the month if I drink enough coffee. A few new features, probably a demo video or two, and it'll likely stop being free.

    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/smashcut-visual-synth/id1493237895

    Aha – that’s excellent, it appears I’ve already got that, ta!

    It cues to the frame by notes? Only 36 of them? That’s not going to work – that’d get me about halfway through the song :-)

    If I could get Keynote to say that this slide is 00:00:00:00 and the next slide is 00:00:07:14 and the next is 00:00:14:30 and so on then that’d be a step in the correct direction providing I could start it roughly at the same time as the sequence – better still if I could tell it that this slide is the start of the song, the next slide is the first bar of the first verse, the next slide is four bars into the first verse, and so on, that’d be perfect, but for that it’d have to “know” about the sequence that is running, and the parts of it as they’re named, etc (although naming the part of the song you’re in is probably not a MIDI standard thing, so we’re back to bar numbers I suppose)

  • @u0421793 said:

    @u0421793 said:

    @SecretBaseDesign said:

    @pruddo said:
    you can use @SecretBaseDesign ’s visual synth if you first make a video containing the texts you want to use (made with LumaFusion for instance), then import that video in visual synth, choose cue points and trigger them by MIDI notes..

    With a video that has the text needed -- you could import to Visual Synth, set some queue points, and then use MIDI notes to cue to the right spots. The app is free right now (it's been that way since release).

    I've got an update planned, maybe by the end of the month if I drink enough coffee. A few new features, probably a demo video or two, and it'll likely stop being free.

    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/smashcut-visual-synth/id1493237895

    Aha – that’s excellent, it appears I’ve already got that, ta!

    It cues to the frame by notes? Only 36 of them? That’s not going to work – that’d get me about halfway through the song :-)

    If I could get Keynote to say that this slide is 00:00:00:00 and the next slide is 00:00:07:14 and the next is 00:00:14:30 and so on then that’d be a step in the correct direction providing I could start it roughly at the same time as the sequence – better still if I could tell it that this slide is the start of the song, the next slide is the first bar of the first verse, the next slide is four bars into the first verse, and so on, that’d be perfect, but for that it’d have to “know” about the sequence that is running, and the parts of it as they’re named, etc (although naming the part of the song you’re in is probably not a MIDI standard thing, so we’re back to bar numbers I suppose)

    Yes, 36 cue points per video associated with MIDI notes. You can also use CC 0 to seek to (evenly spaced) 128 different spots.

    The update will let you switch videos (and sets of cue points) via MIDI, so you could do the next section of a song with a second video. Cue points in the current version are not precise (plus or minus a fraction of a second); they'll be much more accurate in the next release, along with on-screen scrubbing to more easily get to the exact frame you want.

  • @SecretBaseDesign What do you think about importing photos and simple text files as well?
    Hope that wouldn't be too much work. I'd love to use that feature, and btw I'm glad you've chimed in here :)

  • VS was great fun and creative, it made me smile (and still does) when I did stuff like this:

    an update to VS would be fantastic :)

  • edited July 2023

    I do think there’s a much needed hole in the market here

    Lots of people seem to be searching for it, I’ve found in my searching over time

    Something that can generate a visual output that can be seen by a performer or band, and often also audience, most typically for lyrics, but often for other things

    I’ve seen religious people try to set stuff up for ATEM switchers in churches and suchlike for the congregations to sing along to their indoctrination which would typically be performed by a live band or musician, and they want the words to be seen to sing along to (on a big screen from above usually)

    This is a very close overlap to us in our iPad or “DAWless” world where we’d like to perform live and video livestream and know where the song segments are happening, what’s occurring, what’s afoot, and what the bloody words we once wrote actually are

    I mean, what else do all you iPad DAWless musicians do, surely we can’t be expected to just jam along to some generative nonsense aimlessly with no singing and no song structure and no hook and no point? Surely that’s not what we all do?

  • @u0421793 said:
    Is there anything on iOS that can start displaying text at time zero, and then display other text at a certain time interval from zero, then display even other text at a certain time interval from zero (not the previous other texts, time, but from zero), then display even otherer text at a certain time interval from zero, and so on

    Preferably nice big text

    And preferably it starts when a sequencer also starts

    And also preferably the time interval from zero can be given in beats and bars

    I understand that this isn't what you are looking for, since you want full screen display. But here is a quick demonstration of a primitive Audulus patch that I put together that maps text strings to MIDI notes.

  • @rs2000 said:
    @SecretBaseDesign What do you think about importing photos and simple text files as well?
    Hope that wouldn't be too much work. I'd love to use that feature, and btw I'm glad you've chimed in here :)

    Probably no photo support (I'm using an iOS video playback widget, that makes the video support easy -- it would be a big hack to support both a set of photos and video).

    Text might be something that happens -- could add it as a layer on top of the video (and controllable through a second MIDI channel).

    Longer term, I may have two or more video layers -- or some combination of video and text layers, running on different MIDI channels.

    We'll see how things go after the update, and when I start charging a few bucks for the app. If it's making a bit of money, I might put some time into it. If not, I'll work on something else.

  • @SecretBaseDesign said:

    @rs2000 said:
    @SecretBaseDesign What do you think about importing photos and simple text files as well?
    Hope that wouldn't be too much work. I'd love to use that feature, and btw I'm glad you've chimed in here :)

    Probably no photo support (I'm using an iOS video playback widget, that makes the video support easy -- it would be a big hack to support both a set of photos and video).

    Text might be something that happens -- could add it as a layer on top of the video (and controllable through a second MIDI channel).

    Longer term, I may have two or more video layers -- or some combination of video and text layers, running on different MIDI channels.

    We'll see how things go after the update, and when I start charging a few bucks for the app. If it's making a bit of money, I might put some time into it. If not, I'll work on something else.

    Is there a way of picking up the time or position within a midi input? I don’t know how midi works these days inside the iPad but in the old days my Korg S3 put out SMPTE for the tape sync to the portastudio so the sequence could be paused and picked up again from an intermediate point – I suppose now it’s lucky if we get a starting thing that everything listens to and understands

  • @u0421793 said:

    @SecretBaseDesign said:

    @rs2000 said:
    @SecretBaseDesign What do you think about importing photos and simple text files as well?
    Hope that wouldn't be too much work. I'd love to use that feature, and btw I'm glad you've chimed in here :)

    Probably no photo support (I'm using an iOS video playback widget, that makes the video support easy -- it would be a big hack to support both a set of photos and video).

    Text might be something that happens -- could add it as a layer on top of the video (and controllable through a second MIDI channel).

    Longer term, I may have two or more video layers -- or some combination of video and text layers, running on different MIDI channels.

    We'll see how things go after the update, and when I start charging a few bucks for the app. If it's making a bit of money, I might put some time into it. If not, I'll work on something else.

    Is there a way of picking up the time or position within a midi input? I don’t know how midi works these days inside the iPad but in the old days my Korg S3 put out SMPTE for the tape sync to the portastudio so the sequence could be paused and picked up again from an intermediate point – I suppose now it’s lucky if we get a starting thing that everything listens to and understands

    The SMPTE related MIDI feature is MTC (midi time code), you need some sort of device that converts SMPTE to MTC. I don't know of any iOS apps that do that and very few read MTC. There is another feature song position pointer and a few apps support that. AUM and Xequence 2 and Loopy Pro do. There may be others, too.

  • @SecretBaseDesign said:

    @rs2000 said:
    @SecretBaseDesign What do you think about importing photos and simple text files as well?
    Hope that wouldn't be too much work. I'd love to use that feature, and btw I'm glad you've chimed in here :)

    Probably no photo support (I'm using an iOS video playback widget, that makes the video support easy -- it would be a big hack to support both a set of photos and video).

    Text might be something that happens -- could add it as a layer on top of the video (and controllable through a second MIDI channel).

    Longer term, I may have two or more video layers -- or some combination of video and text layers, running on different MIDI channels.

    We'll see how things go after the update, and when I start charging a few bucks for the app. If it's making a bit of money, I might put some time into it. If not, I'll work on something else.

    @SecretBaseDesign said:

    @rs2000 said:
    @SecretBaseDesign What do you think about importing photos and simple text files as well?
    Hope that wouldn't be too much work. I'd love to use that feature, and btw I'm glad you've chimed in here :)

    Probably no photo support (I'm using an iOS video playback widget, that makes the video support easy -- it would be a big hack to support both a set of photos and video).

    Text might be something that happens -- could add it as a layer on top of the video (and controllable through a second MIDI channel).

    Longer term, I may have two or more video layers -- or some combination of video and text layers, running on different MIDI channels.

    We'll see how things go after the update, and when I start charging a few bucks for the app. If it's making a bit of money, I might put some time into it. If not, I'll work on something else.

    layering (videos) with blend modes (lighten, darken, overlay, burn..) would make it a killer

  • @pruddo said:

    @SecretBaseDesign said:

    @rs2000 said:
    @SecretBaseDesign What do you think about importing photos and simple text files as well?
    Hope that wouldn't be too much work. I'd love to use that feature, and btw I'm glad you've chimed in here :)

    Probably no photo support (I'm using an iOS video playback widget, that makes the video support easy -- it would be a big hack to support both a set of photos and video).

    Text might be something that happens -- could add it as a layer on top of the video (and controllable through a second MIDI channel).

    Longer term, I may have two or more video layers -- or some combination of video and text layers, running on different MIDI channels.

    We'll see how things go after the update, and when I start charging a few bucks for the app. If it's making a bit of money, I might put some time into it. If not, I'll work on something else.

    @SecretBaseDesign said:

    @rs2000 said:
    @SecretBaseDesign What do you think about importing photos and simple text files as well?
    Hope that wouldn't be too much work. I'd love to use that feature, and btw I'm glad you've chimed in here :)

    Probably no photo support (I'm using an iOS video playback widget, that makes the video support easy -- it would be a big hack to support both a set of photos and video).

    Text might be something that happens -- could add it as a layer on top of the video (and controllable through a second MIDI channel).

    Longer term, I may have two or more video layers -- or some combination of video and text layers, running on different MIDI channels.

    We'll see how things go after the update, and when I start charging a few bucks for the app. If it's making a bit of money, I might put some time into it. If not, I'll work on something else.

    layering (videos) with blend modes (lighten, darken, overlay, burn..) would make it a killer

    Blend modes are good but also a useful thing with two video channels is lumakey – if one channel is essentially black and white (such as big text) then the black can key the other channel through, or the white can key the other channel through (needs switching and inversion for all the combinations) – lumakey is such a simple thing (compared with chromakey) but it’s surprisingly effective with high contrast key sources

  • edited July 2023

    @u0421793 said:

    @SecretBaseDesign said:

    @rs2000 said:
    @SecretBaseDesign What do you think about importing photos and simple text files as well?
    Hope that wouldn't be too much work. I'd love to use that feature, and btw I'm glad you've chimed in here :)

    Probably no photo support (I'm using an iOS video playback widget, that makes the video support easy -- it would be a big hack to support both a set of photos and video).

    Text might be something that happens -- could add it as a layer on top of the video (and controllable through a second MIDI channel).

    Longer term, I may have two or more video layers -- or some combination of video and text layers, running on different MIDI channels.

    We'll see how things go after the update, and when I start charging a few bucks for the app. If it's making a bit of money, I might put some time into it. If not, I'll work on something else.

    Is there a way of picking up the time or position within a midi input? I don’t know how midi works these days inside the iPad but in the old days my Korg S3 put out SMPTE for the tape sync to the portastudio so the sequence could be paused and picked up again from an intermediate point – I suppose now it’s lucky if we get a starting thing that everything listens to and understands

    The most straightforward solution would be to use the time position provided by AUv3 hosts.

    @SecretBaseDesign

    Text might be something that happens -- could add it as a layer on top of the video (and controllable through a second MIDI channel).

    That's a great idea! 😊

  • By coincidence I've stumbled over another way to show different texts controlled by MIDI:

    The Slider can be mapped to a MIDI knob that selects any text.
    It can also be p-locked to any sequencer step so it pops up the text at a precise time position.

    I might start using that myself whenever I need to take notes in my hardware groovegear + Drambo sets...

  • @rs2000 said:
    By coincidence I've stumbled over another way to show different texts controlled by MIDI …

    excellent!

    If only the typeface and font size could be controlled by a CC (only joking)

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