Ableton Push3 - works as USB audio/midi interface with iPad

dendy

Friend of mine has P3S and just tried it run as class compliant device with iPad - works lole
a breeze, both midi and audio.

Just in case somebody is considering to buy P3S and pair it with iPad.

Pierre118

Interesting! That would say you can control iPad MPE synths with the Push 3?

Danny_Mammy

i tried this on the push 3 controller version before i refunded mine because of pad issues.

on the push 3 controller version the midi functions are very basic with ipad. pads send midi... not lit up. encoder were only on/off but im sure a dev could get more out of the push 3 midi functions.

a hacked Push 3 standalone might be very cool with ipad.

auxmux

@Danny_Mammy said:
i tried this on the push 3 controller version before i refunded mine because of pad issues.

on the push 3 controller version the midi functions are very basic with ipad. pads send midi... not lit up. encoder were only on/off but im sure a dev could get more out of the push 3 midi functions.

a hacked Push 3 standalone might be very cool with ipad.

Disappointing to hear. May be will change in future.

AlmostAnonymous

@Danny_Mammy said:
i tried this on the push 3 controller version before i refunded mine because of pad issues.

on the push 3 controller version the midi functions are very basic with ipad. pads send midi... not lit up. encoder were only on/off but im sure a dev could get more out of the push 3 midi functions.

a hacked Push 3 standalone might be very cool with ipad.

I’m still kinda considering a push3 (size is still a little bit of a put off, but meh), but I was waiting for these initial batch issues to calm down/get resolved. Now the NUC thing has me wondering……

But curious why you say hacked. Can the push 3 still send midi via USB in standalone mode?
My thought process was to use the 3 in standalone mode, send the midi to iPad/AUM via usb, and use a minidsp on it for the 8 i/o to and from the iPad (and just main out of the push to the PA).

See any reason why that wouldn’t work? Does connecting via USB in standalone take over as an audio interface on an iPad? Essentially just using the iPad as a 8x8 sound source. (I guess I could use TRS midi to iPad).

minidsp: https://www.minidsp.com/products/usb-audio-interface/usbstreamer-box
(Quite a few of us around here use/used these)

Edit: this could prolly be @dendy as well…

Danny_Mammy

@AlmostAnonymous said:

@Danny_Mammy said:
i tried this on the push 3 controller version before i refunded mine because of pad issues.

on the push 3 controller version the midi functions are very basic with ipad. pads send midi... not lit up. encoder were only on/off but im sure a dev could get more out of the push 3 midi functions.

a hacked Push 3 standalone might be very cool with ipad.

I’m still kinda considering a push3 (size is still a little bit of a put off, but meh), but I was waiting for these initial batch issues to calm down/get resolved. Now the NUC thing has me wondering……

But curious why you say hacked. Can the push 3 still send midi via USB in standalone mode?
My thought process was to use the 3 in standalone mode, send the midi to iPad/AUM via usb, and use a minidsp on it for the 8 i/o to and from the iPad (and just main out of the push to the PA).

See any reason why that wouldn’t work? Does connecting via USB in standalone take over as an audio interface on an iPad? Essentially just using the iPad as a 8x8 sound source. (I guess I could use TRS midi to iPad).

minidsp: https://www.minidsp.com/products/usb-audio-interface/usbstreamer-box
(Quite a few of us around here use/used these)

yeah, i didn't have the standalone version so can't really comment on that one too much.

I was meaning more if/once the standalone version is hacked there is no end to what it can be used for which is exciting.

Regardless, if you get one, please double and triple check every single pad for pressure, velocity and especially slide functionally. The first pad to the left on the bottom row is the culprit in my cases. I call it 'A1' on a chessboard layout.

scrape

The longer term possibilities with Max4Live are sweet indeed. Here’s hoping Note integration will be meaningful, and have AUv3.

joaehun

Would it be possible to connect an iPad via the UsBC port and using push 3 audio interface within iOS? Or is it asking a lot?
So recording directly to iOS?

Tarekith

Good question, I’ll try this for you later today.

Pierre118

@joaehun said:
Would it be possible to connect an iPad via the UsBC port and using push 3 audio interface within iOS? Or is it asking a lot?
So recording directly to iOS?

I can answer that without trying, that will not work. (If you want to record audio on the iPad/iPhone you need a audio-interface for the iPad/iPhone).

You have to put the Push 3 in 'control mode' to enable the audio-interface of it. In this case the midi ports of the P3 are detected by the iPad/iPhone while connected via usb-c to usb-c. But there will be no 'User Interface' on the P3 because there is no Ableton Live detected. So totally useless.

drez

@Pierre118 is correct

Tarekith

Yeah, just tested in the new Live 12 beta on Push 3 to see if things had changed, but sadly not.

Pierre118

@Tarekith said:
Yeah, just tested in the new Live 12 beta on Push 3 to see if things had changed, but sadly not.

If this was changed in the Live 12 beta, it would be found in the release notes. There was no need testing this, just need some Ableton knowledge. I assume you are the 'Tarekith' who is also a Ableton Push Forum Administrator? If so, you should know this.

drez

@Pierre118 said:

@Tarekith said:
Yeah, just tested in the new Live 12 beta on Push 3 to see if things had changed, but sadly not.

If this was changed in the Live 12 beta, it would be found in the release notes. There was no need testing this, just need some Ableton knowledge. I assume you are the 'Tarekith' who is also a Ableton Push Forum Administrator? If so, you should know this.

Easy there. He's a forum admin, not an ableton employee working on Push. You should know this.

Pierre118

@drez said:

@Pierre118 said:

@Tarekith said:
Yeah, just tested in the new Live 12 beta on Push 3 to see if things had changed, but sadly not.

If this was changed in the Live 12 beta, it would be found in the release notes. There was no need testing this, just need some Ableton knowledge. I assume you are the 'Tarekith' who is also a Ableton Push Forum Administrator? If so, you should know this.

Easy there. He's a forum admin, not an ableton employee working on Push. You should know this.

I know, but it's still embarrassing

espiegel123

@Pierre118 said:

I know, but it's still embarrassing

Was there a reason to post this other than to make someone feel bad?

Tarekith

What's embarrassing is how rude you're being to me here and on the Ableton forums when I'm only trying to help.

Pierre118

@espiegel123 said:

@Pierre118 said:

I know, but it's still embarrassing

Was there a reason to post this other than to make someone feel bad?

Yes, there was.....;)

Pierre118

@Tarekith said:
What's embarrassing is how rude you're being to me here and on the Ableton forums when I'm only trying to help.

It's not meant as rude, it's just a realistic reply on the very below average Ableton's support.

Tarekith

I am not Ableton support, but I'm actually going out of my way to try help you and other people who have Ableton questions. You need to check your attitude.

Pierre118

@Tarekith said:
I am not Ableton support, but I'm actually going out of my way to try help you and other people who have Ableton questions. You need to check your attitude.

You are right, and you are need to check your Ableton knowledge. So we are equal.

drez

@Pierre118 said:

@Tarekith said:
What's embarrassing is how rude you're being to me here and on the Ableton forums when I'm only trying to help.

It's not meant as rude, it's just a realistic reply on the very below average Ableton's support.

Don't be a dick. If he doesn't work for ableton (which you said you know) then why would you use him as "an example" for something that he has no involvement in?

drez

@Pierre118 said:

@Tarekith said:
I am not Ableton support, but I'm actually going out of my way to try help you and other people who have Ableton questions. You need to check your attitude.

You are right, and you are need to check your Ableton knowledge. So we are equal.

You are absolutely not equal.

drez

This kind of horseshit is why the ignore option was created.

Pierre118

@drez said:

@Pierre118 said:

@Tarekith said:
I am not Ableton support, but I'm actually going out of my way to try help you and other people who have Ableton questions. You need to check your attitude.

You are right, and you are need to check your Ableton knowledge. So we are equal.

You are absolutely not equal.

You're right, above equal

Tarekith

@drez said:
This kind of horseshit is why the ignore option was created.

Amen.

espiegel123

@Pierre118 said:

@drez said:

@Pierre118 said:

@Tarekith said:
I am not Ableton support, but I'm actually going out of my way to try help you and other people who have Ableton questions. You need to check your attitude.

You are right, and you are need to check your Ableton knowledge. So we are equal.

You are absolutely not equal.

You're right, above equal

Your posts are coming across as having no purpose but to make someone feel bad.

Pierre118

@drez said:
This kind of horseshit is why the ignore option was created.

Absolutely! Thanks for the good advice.

Pierre118

@espiegel123 said:

@Pierre118 said:

@drez said:

@Pierre118 said:

@Tarekith said:
I am not Ableton support, but I'm actually going out of my way to try help you and other people who have Ableton questions. You need to check your attitude.

You are right, and you are need to check your Ableton knowledge. So we are equal.

You are absolutely not equal.

You're right, above equal

Your posts are coming across as having no purpose but to make someone feel bad.

I do not have the purpose to feel somebody feel bad, and I admit it was too personal.

isal

@Danny_Mammy said:
i tried this on the push 3 controller version before i refunded mine because of pad issues.

on the push 3 controller version the midi functions are very basic with ipad. pads send midi... not lit up. encoder were only on/off but im sure a dev could get more out of the push 3 midi functions.

a hacked Push 3 standalone might be very cool with ipad.

Ableton open sourced the MIDI and display firmware for Push2 (and I believe Push3 too): https://github.com/Ableton/push-interface

The DrivenByMoss Bitwig controller scripts use this and it demonstrates how much the Push can be customized for other uses: https://github.com/git-moss/DrivenByMoss-Documentation/blob/master/Ableton/Ableton-Push.md