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SB Drum Computer in AUM, ¿HOW? to sequence multiple Other apps ?
Seen so many ways to split the drums to own channels in AUM and add effects to each -Not what i need. Not sure if the proper term is "midi out", but i want in DC, seqence lane 1 to control appX, lane 2 to control appY, DClane3 to control appZ,....
I know I've seen a video of it and should be simple, but all i can get is every single lane controlling appX, i remember there was a way to choose in AUM, for appX only listen to lane1, appY only listen to lane2. Seems like i always have to have Master channel On to get anything out, but then it sends every single lane, so i turn off all channels, turn on 2, but since master isn't coming through it does nothing. what am i forgetting here? Or link to a video if anyone has one, please
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The key is to filter out the notes that you don't want to play on each AUM channel. Route Drum Computer to all the apps, but in the AUM Channel settings narrow the Note Range.
So then im stuck only playing one note per app?? Doesn't make sense, best example that easily just works is Fugue, as au midi processor. Then with 3 lines to left of other apps i can choose midi source, Fugue, and go in and specifically choose Playhead 1 for App1, Playhead 2 for App 2...
But using Drum Computer, it doesn't give me the option to choose specific playhead, just plays every single lane, IF channel 1 is on. If channel 1 is off then none of the other ones work...but i want one lane per other app.
No, one range of notes per app. Just choose a wider range in the MIDI in settings of each app that Wim has shown you. But doesn’t DC sequencer only give out one note per lane anyway?
Okay but wouldn't that still mean im stuck playing only that range for that app. Sounds very limited and like it has to be precisely planned vs i felt like i was doing this last week easy, but it has been a crazy week. Fugue is my best example that just works, as midi processor, i can choose which playhead i want to affect which other app.
To be clearer, im not trying to do anything with an external midi controller. I want sequencer lane 2 of DC to control Aparillo(example), DC sequencer lane 3 to control 808, ... i skipped mentioning lane 1 cause that seems like a whole other issue where if i have apps set to DC as midi source, i cant choose lane, it sends em all, and even if i block, unhighlight the channels i dont want to control other app, doesn't matter cause nothing happens without channel 1 on, but having channel 1 on also plays every single lane of DC in the other app.
Fugue machine has a midi "port" for each playhead. Not a lot of apps have multiple ports as it's a new-ish feature for iOS. Drum Computer doesn't have multiple ports, and it can't send on multiple midi channels, so it has limited flexibility in controlling other apps. So sorry, yeh, it does take precise planning. It also requires planning as to what note each lane sends since your target apps will probably have their own particular notes that control them if they're drum apps.
I don't understand what you're saying about channel 1. I get the feeling maybe you're confusing the Audio Out settings and the MIDI Out settings. Audio out is multiple output of DC's own audio but has no affect on controlling other apps.
Another strategy would be send drum computer’s output through Mozaic or streambyter and they could map particular notes to particular midi channels. Then set up the synth lanes to listen to a different channel.
Maybe i need to make DC put out on OMNI channel, then i could choose which other app uses which dc lane/channel? Or why are we able to put dc in either all master out vs master, 2/3, 4/5, 6/7... what is that used for if not choosing which channels to send out of dc and go to certain apps? Sorry if i just hallucinated the whole thing, but feels like i doing this last week, but this week has been more hell than usual, plus some cat ate my headphones wire, also does Bluetooth, but we know that is whack for production cause latency. And for some reason i connect bluetooth headphones over n over it half works. Then when it "works", it's only with some? Apps? Finally got audioshare to let me hear through Bluetooth headphones, just had to keep resetting it, but then it wouldn't output in bm3, but then it turns out all my tracks in bm3 are greyed out for some reason?
You could always just use individual instances of DC in the MIDI slots (they load as “Drum Computer MIDI FX”)
And then point each instance to the synth of your choice.
Like so: (example in AUM)
Those are audio channels. They are useful for having different effect chains setup for each pad e.g a reverb on the kick, exciter on hats etc. Unfortunately the midi is only sent on one midi channel so you will need to use a workaround like those suggested above 👍
I think if I understand your use case correctly…. As a side note It would definitely help if you briefly explained the use case so we can bet understand how to help.
Would using a different midi channels, one for each lane of the sequencer, work? if the app you are sending the midi to can receive midi on more then just channel 1 (some apps don’t have multi channel midi in the options or settings) then each lane in Drum Computer will send midi on its own individual channel. Usually drum sequencers send/receive one note per lane, but DC might send pitch info out if used as a sequencer only, but i don’t know the answer to that… If DC does send multiple pitches per lane, do a lane, per channel, so you can then receive each channel on each of the instruments you want. Others, If it only sends out one note per lane, it will be best served sequencing drums, or setting a scale per lane to trigger different notes on an instrument.
OMNI isn’t a midi channel. Omni is for receiving midi and means “respond to all midi channels”. A midi note or cc message has one channel field which can have a value of 0 (channel 1) to 15 (channel 16).
Just to summarize and expand on the points made in separate posts above:
Have you thought about trying to fix your headphone cable? It shouldn't be too hard to cut the cable, strip the wires, twist them back together, and then wrap the splices with tape. Electricians tape is recommended but any tape should do.
Sorry things are so rough right now.
Appreciate alll your helpful understandings. I will ponder over these and see what works toward my goals, but basically i like to set up random experiments, lets just say with Fugue, where i can have several other apps each with their own separate source of midi, but really from the same source so i can see em all at once, like Fugue's playheads, where each playhead can play whatever note i want across the octaves in the other app. I think one of the things suggested was ...shit. Sorry, realistically im recovering from heat exhaustion/stroke,so my mind is still foggy, but like i get confounded, by -Why in DC in AUM are you able to switch from midi out (there im already confused cause it's right next to audio out), all Master channels to engine1-Master, engine 2-AudioOut 3/4, engine 3-AudioOut 5/6 ? In my messy brain that means i should go to other app and say only listen to channel 3/4 so only that dc sequence lane affects what you do. But I think i have a LOT of things confused right now. Truly I appreciate this community's patience.
Sorry things are so hard 😕. My advice is to take things slow and focus on one thing at a time. Your coping mechanisms have been dealt a blow. It might help to give 'em a break and limit what you try to accomplish until you're feeling better.
For the audio / midi mixup, it's enough to know that those two are completely different things, even though they're physically adjacent to each other in the settings. Midi is just messages that tell other apps to do things. Audio is just sound. Audio doesn't control anything directly.
AUv3 apps can have multiple audio outputs and they can have multiple midi outputs, but they're separate things. Drum Computer has multiple audio outputs, but not multiple midi outputs.
With Drum Computer's multiple audio outputs you can do things like process Drum Computer's audio (not other apps audio) in separate AUM audio channels. Setting up multi audio output is somewhat complicated to understand, but I'm sure you can get the idea if it's something you decide will be helpful. I'll post a screen shot showing it set up that way in AUM so that you can decide if you want to go there. The important thing to remember is this has nothing to do with controlling other apps.
Great tutorial for DC, this will be very helpful for anyone interested in DC multi-out.
Only thing missing in your illustration is ‘Room’ and ‘Hall’ channel explanation. Because as it is they are routed to the ‘DC Master’ channel. For those just beginning this could be confusing, because they will still hear all other channels on the master one. In this situation if not planned that exact way, Room & Hall effects should be turned off.
Best way is to open separate channels for Room and Hall:
thanks for the added clarity @Luxthor
@wim thank you for the visual map, super helpful for this visual being.
@Edward_Alexander thank you for your explanation as well. I see now how i was confusing Audio out VS midi out.
Guess i just need a REAL midi out SEQUENCER, shoulda got octatron when it was on sale, but at least im heading in the right direction
@wim Since DC only broadcasts midi over channel 1 but each lane only out puts one midi note (or small range of notes) you could (could you not) filter each note (small note range) to different midi channel via MFXConvert, Mozaic etc?
Ex:
Kick outputs on midi channel 1, midi note 44 (Ab1)
Snare outputs on again midi channel 1 but a different midi note
Just Filter the note(ranges) to reroute to different channels
Or am I misreading the conversation so far?
We were talking audio multi output, not midi.
@audiblevideo thats a whole other can of worms for me, now i get that i can have multi DC midi fxes, each controlling another app, but then i got wondering...i know in controlled app, in AUM, to the left 3 bars, i can choose what note range is sent, say C3-C7, but then how do i know what note is sent/controlled in DC by each lane? i just gotta find something more straightforward.
Fugue isn't useful because then i have 4 of the same notes going out, yes i know about the tempo/note change, but still what if i want only 4bass app notes in the whole song, and 300 different key notes, and 18 pad notes. I need something that im too ignorant to comprehend. Also been seeing what Xequence + AUM can do and that seems to be pretty powerful. I don't fault any of the apps, only my limited (so far) understanding. Just got too much going on in "life" to apply myself here.
@RanDoM_rRay
The notes that are sent by DC can be found by using a midi monitor. There are several available inthe app store. Midi Tools (a suite of utilities) and MIDISpy ( I think free) is another.
Just route DC output to the midi monitor press a DC (or any apps key or knob) and the midi note number will be shown ( or CC for controllers like knobs sliders etc). You can also look up online what note is what midi number online as it is part of the midi specification. One thing you need to be aware of is “middle C” can vary between apps, thus necessitating moving the note number up or down as needed by 12 semitones)