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You think IAA should be more improved on.
You think that IAA can be somehow improved on for the sake of the old apps that have IAA or any other non-AUV3 apps with IAA support. For pretty much most of the case, mostly, you access auv3 inside a host and is automatically triggered to the pianoroll grid, keyboard, the host in general through midi and IAA you have to open it separately outside the host and record it live in audio. That’s just summing the jist of it. You think its possible for an AU app to be developed in order to access IAA by opening it in a window inside your host by using this “imaginary” AU app to host IAA within your Daw/Host, like how Endlesss & DawnBeat opens AU’s in a little window, but imagine that being IAA. And the Daw/Host would automatically route or detect the IAAs midi to the keyboard, pads, piano grid, effects,…. just like your daw does with Auv3, then you could play the keys, add notes in the grid or whatever inside your Daw with IAA being the source and it would also be right there just like with AudioUnit. That would be one good way to improve IAA and I’m no expert but it kinda seems possible. Of course you might not connect all IAA’s through midi in a host. Idk if all IAA is the same like Guitars, Strings and if they have a type of midi or mapping feature that would connect to a hosts app. There could be other solutions and one would be if Developers had more research to learn or right coding to be able to add auv3 to there apps. A lot of devs tried doing it but didn’t have success, while some succeeded in making their apps Auv3. I think it has to do with either the way the app was made, not enough knowledge, no way to access the right info, bunch of reasons. But if there was better and more research to help them and tutorials on how to, then devs wouldn’t be having much a problem adding Auv3.
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I think there is a bit of confusion here, because you mentioned something along the lines of not being able to connect midi in a host to an iaa, not being able to use fx apps etc with iaa apps but all of this is simply not true, at least not of most hosts. Logic doesn't support iaa but most hosts do. In aum for example, you can load an iaa app, add fx after it, record its output etc etc. There are only really 2 problems with iaa - you can only open one instance at a time, and the IAA app cannot be viewed inside the host app.
You can however use stage manager to have, for example, aum and an iaa open in The split screen view.
But yes, a wrapper that allowed you to view iaa apps inside a host and allowed them to save state inside the host would be very useful. No isea6of the technical feasibility of it though
Like in Cubasis, you can use the Cubasis’s keyboard and piano roll to play your IAAs, probably not all IAA and edit midi notes, make melody’s+chords in the piano grid without having to go switch apps every few seconds and play it live. Is that what you mean by recording the IAA’s output like what Cubasis does. Or were you talking about recording the actual audio output in wav form (not midi). Cubasis is the closest thing to what I’m talking about and the only host I know of that does that. If there’s more hosts that do that like Cubasis I would like to know. Another thing is I don’t know much about routing midi, input, output and all that, so I’m not as experienced & knowledgeable when it comes to that, but maybe it’s been possible and simple this whole time to set it up like what Cubasis does with some kind of midi routing. I also mostly use my iPhone. I should have mentioned it, but when I wrote this I had the iPhone mostly in mind. I haven’t tried IAA or Aum on my iPad yet, as I just got it not long ago, but I imagine that IAA isn’t as much of a problem for iPad than it is with a small iPhone screen. I’m gonna have to check out AUM+IAA on my iPad, I always see the videos in split screen in AUM and always wondered to check it out. thanks for recommending that.
@majorwizard047 : IAA has been deprecated for a few years. It is unlikely any developer will put substantial resources into IAA technology as some time in the next few years , IAA may cease to be available at all.
IAA apps are standalone apps. It isn’t possible for an AU to host another app or another AU
If you are having a particular problem, if you describe the particulars people might be able to provide advice as to how to make something work that you are having trouble with.
I did a video on aum covering all the basics, including lots of midi stuff btw. I don't know anything about cubasis really, never use it, but if you're going to give aum a try this vid will be helpful!
Inter App Audio (IAA) provides a mechanism for routing audio between apps. It provides for a few other capabilities such time synchronization, transport control, and the app switcher that some apps implement to allow switching back and forth between a host and app.
But that's all it provides. There is no provision for preset and settings control, and especially no provision for displaying one app within another. There's no way for a host or any other app to display an IAA screen within it. The capability simply isn't there.
Some AUv3 apps have done magic by routing audio and midi between non IAA capable hosts using sender and receiver AUv3 plugins that talk to each other. But that's the extent of what can be done.
To do anything else such as encapsulating IAA/Standalone screens in a host or AUv3 window would require Apple to add the capabilities to IAA. They've said for years now that they're not going to do that. Either the developers have port their apps to AUv3 or forget it. No third party can add those kind of capabilities.
Let's say you have one of those digital picture frames. You can load pictures and movies from other devices onto an SD card and display them on it. You think it'd be great fun if you could take selfies directly from the frame. I mean, even your phone can do that, right? But it doesn't have a camera. You can glue one on there or something but it won't do any good.
Just as you can't take pictures from a device without a camera even though it can display them, IAA doesn't have what would be necessary to do more than it does. Nobody can make it do the things it lacks, and Apple isn't going to add those capabilities.
yeh. lame analogy. Best I could do on a Saturday morning without more coffee. 🙄