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Anyone using an ES9 with their iPad?
Hi all,
I have an Expert Sleepers ES9 but the configuration tool for it is too much for my tiny little mind to grok, and despite repeated revisions to the manual, the creator Os seems disinclined to do the obvious thing of publishing a few typical setups as a starter for 10. Does anyone here use one with the iPad? If so, would it be possible for you to share screenshots of your configuration setups?
All I want to do is run 14 different mono Eurorack signals into it, and have 8 individual tracks out via the audio interface to record into AUM, mirrored to the physical outs, plus a stereo mix for headphones and line outs, I.e. just using the available in and out ports on the device in an obvious way. Except it isn’t obvious. Really, this should be the default setting on the damn thing fresh out the box.
I’m fine dedicating some pairs of the inputs to a single out to get the 14 ins to go to 8 outs, 1&2 in to 1 out, 3&4 in to 2 out, or any other logical scheme would be fine.
Anyone able to assist?
I tried once before with this but eventually gave up in frustration, and even toyed with selling it, but I knew I’d get Bitwig one day and would need an interface which can work with cv as well as audio, so I hung on. Well, I got Bitwig during the summer sale, so…
I notice quite a few people on the ES forum have experienced similar issues over the years, including professional software programmers and interface designers (!) so I don’t feel too bad about being such a klutz.
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There are a couple of users over on the Beepstreet forum who could possibly help you.
Does it function like a “normal” audio interface?
I'm using an ES-9 with AUM and Drambo since it came out and I've barely touched the config tool.
I might not be fully understanding what you want to do but if you use AUM for all the routing, the default config should just work as you want. The only thing I changed in the config tool was the DC blocking for certain inputs but you might need change one of the outputs if you need separate cue mix for the headphone output.
I can take a screenshot later (I just noticed I don't even have the config tool on my macbook anymore) but I'm 90% sure it's the default settings.
Hi @ronnieb : if you were able to screenshot your config screen, that would be very helpful, thanks!
@Gravitas : as far as I can tell, yes. It’s the internal routings between sources and destinations that are hard to understand, as it includes extra complexity of multiple internal mixers etcetera, and an unfriendly and misleading interface which implies physical correlations which are not in fact what the connections are doing. An AUM style grid matrix would have been a much better idea.
I hear you.
Can you ignore the internal routings and create your own routings in AUM or whatever host?
@ronnieb has just mentioned something like this.
Reading with interest, and taking notes, as the ES-9 is on my potential shopping list, though having to configure the thing on a desktop machine is a PITA.
Ronnieb is correct. There is no need to use ES9 config at all, except for DC blocking setting if needed.
Everything works out of the box, just use like any other audio interface. Be sure to read about numbering of the inputs and outs, that's where it's a little confusing. I was initially confused by this too.
But you don't need to change the default config. I recommend resetting to default if you made any changes.
Are you using the inputs for CV or audio?
Thanks all for the comments. I’ll try updating to the latest firmware and setting it to default and see how that goes. I want to like this gadget, but it’s uphill work.
@Svetlovska can you expound on your usage of ES9? I am considering one as well. My intent is a to use it with my MacBook to bridge Ableton Live as the "host" where I connect VCV Rack and Ableton CV modules through the ES9 to my slow addition of hardware gear with CV.
How are you using it?
@drez. Fairly basically at the moment.
I downloaded the latest firmware, and reset to default values. I put it in a small 4MS Pod 40X powered case, along with the brilliant Roland 531 mic/line input/6 channel mixer with faders, mutes, and cv/manual pan/ 1/4”, 1/8” and phones outs , an AI 006 stomp box adapter, https://aisynthesis.com/product/ai006-eurorack-stomp-box-adapter/ A1006, so I can drop in pedals to my Sound Studio or other modules, and a 2HP Herzlich Labs 3 input passive mutes, to make a small, portable output and interface solution.
This means I can record any of my cases, guitars, melodicas, and whatnot or external sources in situ and direct to IPad, running AUM, or Surface Pro running Bitwig with minimum setup, monitoring on phones or speakers.
Straight into my iPad Pro in particular is a dream, a single USB C to C from the ES9 to the ipad, and you are good to go, no intervening hub required. Into the PC, mind, you’re back in third party driver install hell. But, hey, I got there in the end.
I’ll probably swap the mutes out for the 2HP Loop as soon as I can afford it.
There is some redundancy in that I now have phones and 1/4” outs duplicated on both the Roland and the ES9. I bought the ES9 very early on in my modular adventure, at the time specifically for the additional built in phones and line outs, but if I was starting over, I would do just fine with the ES8 instead. In fact, I might even consider selling the ES9 and getting the ES8 instead now that I have the Roland 551 for the on board monitoring functionality.
Still, it means I have a currently have a very small and portable case which I can easily hook up to any of my other devices and to the IPad or Surface, and be running in seconds. For a simple stereo mixdown, that is, as depicted here:
I sort of fear to tread into the ES9 configurator though. It is not intuitive , the multiplicity of internal software mixers it has, and the way the on screen depiction of the USB channels appear to align with the physical ins and outs, but don’t, is head scratchingly frustrating. And it’s not just me, as a visit the the ES forums will confirm. It works great, very powerful. Unique, in fact, in being DC coupled so it can work direct with CV, (a world of pain I have yet to explore, as I am strictly using it as an audio mixer only) but the interface is… well, let me put it this way. Designed by a genius engineer.
So I’ll cross the simultaneous multichannel audio out and/or cv mixing bridge when I have to. For now, I’m fine with a final stage stereo mixdown of the hardware running to it, though the AUM effortlessly shows all the available connections as mono or stereo pairs, teasing me to do a multichannel mix instead...
@bygjohn : you don’t have to configure it on a desktop machine. Safari doesn’t work, but through Chrome you can access a browser version of the configurator, and so do all the tweaking from your iPad. I did, on my latest tussles with it.
That’s interesting. And reassuring. I’m going to have to have a look at the Roland module, too - I think I’m a way off jumping in on this stuff, so I can take my time. I suspect a new iPad will come first.
(Or an extra Wingie - I’m getting interested in the Blippoo box alternative firmware, but don’t want to lose the resonator stuff! 🙄)
@Svetlovska did you get the ES-9 working well in your setup.