Waldorf Microwave in IOS?

Telefunky

@Antos3345 said:

@Telefunky said:

@Antos3345 said:
Yes, this is the time when the hardware is non replaceable by software. I may have to hunt down a used XT.

The XT is a virtual analog synth... it‘s entirely software
(CPU is a Motorola 68k, just like the early Macintoshes)

Very interesting news..

Unfortunately it‘s bs ...
CPU is a 68331 microcontroller (probably M68k compatible), but the sound engine uses a M56k type DSP, like the Access Virus, Nord Lead/Modular. Sorry

dendy

@MadGav said:

@Krupa said:

@dendy said:

@Krupa said:

@dendy said:

@Krupa said:
I’d be surprised if there aren’t dumps of wavetables from these devices easily available to download or buy, and there’s plenty of synths to use them with on iOS.

wavetable itself is just tiny fraction of overall sound… how wavetables are interpreted a eoss whole keyboard range (interpolation, oversampling), filte character, modulation inplementarions, envelope curves (how env speed of attack/decay/release is implemented - linear, exponential, logaritmic), lfo speeed (goes it into audio rate ?), for example XT has fantasric oscilltors FM modulation, etc etc …

by getting just wavetables, you get at best 10-20% of sound .. Blofeld has innit wavetables from microwave but sounds anything like microwave …

Interesting, I always meant to get a microwave when they were relatively cheap in a particular London store but never got round to it… it was the really low spec one, yellow as I recall and less than £200 for ages

yellow microwave 1 has even analog filters.. timeless synth.. look at reverb.com how they are priced now, you will cry

Yeah, I’ll save myself the grief thanks, I’ve too much of whatever the opposite of gas is on that account 😂

A Q isn’t a Microwave in any case!

oh yes you ate true, completely forgot that yellow was Q

Krupa

@MadGav said:

@Krupa said:

@dendy said:

@Krupa said:

@dendy said:

@Krupa said:
I’d be surprised if there aren’t dumps of wavetables from these devices easily available to download or buy, and there’s plenty of synths to use them with on iOS.

wavetable itself is just tiny fraction of overall sound… how wavetables are interpreted a eoss whole keyboard range (interpolation, oversampling), filte character, modulation inplementarions, envelope curves (how env speed of attack/decay/release is implemented - linear, exponential, logaritmic), lfo speeed (goes it into audio rate ?), for example XT has fantasric oscilltors FM modulation, etc etc …

by getting just wavetables, you get at best 10-20% of sound .. Blofeld has innit wavetables from microwave but sounds anything like microwave …

Interesting, I always meant to get a microwave when they were relatively cheap in a particular London store but never got round to it… it was the really low spec one, yellow as I recall and less than £200 for ages

yellow microwave 1 has even analog filters.. timeless synth.. look at reverb.com how they are priced now, you will cry

Yeah, I’ll save myself the grief thanks, I’ve too much of whatever the opposite of gas is on that account 😂

A Q isn’t a Microwave in any case!

And that’s a relief, no non buyer’s regret 😅

HotStrange

@dendy said:

@rs2000 said:

@dendy said:

@Krupa said:
I’d be surprised if there aren’t dumps of wavetables from these devices easily available to download or buy, and there’s plenty of synths to use them with on iOS.

wavetable itself is just tiny fraction of overall sound… how wavetables are interpreted a eoss whole keyboard range (interpolation, oversampling), filte character, modulation inplementarions, envelope curves (how env speed of attack/decay/release is implemented - linear, exponential, logaritmic), lfo speeed (goes it into audio rate ?), for example XT has fantasric oscilltors FM modulation, etc etc …

by getting just wavetables, you get at best 10-20% of sound .. Blofeld has innit wavetables from microwave but sounds anything like microwave …

Definitely.
I wish I had one here to analyze 😊

promised myself when Bitcoin goes over $500k i buy all three microwaves - 1,2,xt and few another legends like Radias, nord lead 2,3, all viruses (a/b/c/ti), korg ms2000, jp8080, supernova IIr, and of course absolutely complete range of Elektron and Dreadbox products 🤣🤣🤣

My dream setup right now would be all 3 big Elektron boxes (A4, Octatrack, Rhythm) and a modular rack full of Dreadbox synths. Absolutely love ‘em both. My Erebus and Nyx were 2 of the best sounding synths I’ve ever owned.

Gavinski

@Krupa said:

@dendy said:

@Krupa said:

@dendy said:

@Krupa said:
I’d be surprised if there aren’t dumps of wavetables from these devices easily available to download or buy, and there’s plenty of synths to use them with on iOS.

wavetable itself is just tiny fraction of overall sound… how wavetables are interpreted a eoss whole keyboard range (interpolation, oversampling), filte character, modulation inplementarions, envelope curves (how env speed of attack/decay/release is implemented - linear, exponential, logaritmic), lfo speeed (goes it into audio rate ?), for example XT has fantasric oscilltors FM modulation, etc etc …

by getting just wavetables, you get at best 10-20% of sound .. Blofeld has innit wavetables from microwave but sounds anything like microwave …

Interesting, I always meant to get a microwave when they were relatively cheap in a particular London store but never got round to it… it was the really low spec one, yellow as I recall and less than £200 for ages

yellow microwave 1 has even analog filters.. timeless synth.. look at reverb.com how they are priced now, you will cry

Yeah, I’ll save myself the grief thanks, I’ve too much of whatever the opposite of gas is on that account 😂

The opposite of GAS I'm not sure of, but I was thinking that the opposite of App Acquisition Syndrome must surely be ASS (App Stinginess Syndrome)

rs2000

@HotStrange said:

@dendy said:

@rs2000 said:

@dendy said:

@Krupa said:
I’d be surprised if there aren’t dumps of wavetables from these devices easily available to download or buy, and there’s plenty of synths to use them with on iOS.

wavetable itself is just tiny fraction of overall sound… how wavetables are interpreted a eoss whole keyboard range (interpolation, oversampling), filte character, modulation inplementarions, envelope curves (how env speed of attack/decay/release is implemented - linear, exponential, logaritmic), lfo speeed (goes it into audio rate ?), for example XT has fantasric oscilltors FM modulation, etc etc …

by getting just wavetables, you get at best 10-20% of sound .. Blofeld has innit wavetables from microwave but sounds anything like microwave …

Definitely.
I wish I had one here to analyze 😊

promised myself when Bitcoin goes over $500k i buy all three microwaves - 1,2,xt and few another legends like Radias, nord lead 2,3, all viruses (a/b/c/ti), korg ms2000, jp8080, supernova IIr, and of course absolutely complete range of Elektron and Dreadbox products 🤣🤣🤣

My dream setup right now would be all 3 big Elektron boxes (A4, Octatrack, Rhythm) and a modular rack full of Dreadbox synths. Absolutely love ‘em both.
My Erebus and Nyx were 2 of the best sounding synths I’ve ever owned.

The Erebus and Nyx look a lot like Dagger!

HotStrange

@rs2000 said:

@HotStrange said:

@dendy said:

@rs2000 said:

@dendy said:

@Krupa said:
I’d be surprised if there aren’t dumps of wavetables from these devices easily available to download or buy, and there’s plenty of synths to use them with on iOS.

wavetable itself is just tiny fraction of overall sound… how wavetables are interpreted a eoss whole keyboard range (interpolation, oversampling), filte character, modulation inplementarions, envelope curves (how env speed of attack/decay/release is implemented - linear, exponential, logaritmic), lfo speeed (goes it into audio rate ?), for example XT has fantasric oscilltors FM modulation, etc etc …

by getting just wavetables, you get at best 10-20% of sound .. Blofeld has innit wavetables from microwave but sounds anything like microwave …

Definitely.
I wish I had one here to analyze 😊

promised myself when Bitcoin goes over $500k i buy all three microwaves - 1,2,xt and few another legends like Radias, nord lead 2,3, all viruses (a/b/c/ti), korg ms2000, jp8080, supernova IIr, and of course absolutely complete range of Elektron and Dreadbox products 🤣🤣🤣

My dream setup right now would be all 3 big Elektron boxes (A4, Octatrack, Rhythm) and a modular rack full of Dreadbox synths. Absolutely love ‘em both.
My Erebus and Nyx were 2 of the best sounding synths I’ve ever owned.

The Erebus and Nyx look a lot like Dagger!

Definitely similar in looks. Sound wise they all have their own thing going though.

dendy

@HotStrange
My Erebus and Nyx were 2 of the best sounding synths I’ve ever owned.

Yup, what Dreadbox is doing is jus soo much rare. Their sound is just stellar. When i hear Medusa pkaying chords i am experiencing meltdowns.. it’s just eargasm for me, that sound is living organism. Totally unique.

Grandbear

@dendy said:

@HotStrange
My Erebus and Nyx were 2 of the best sounding synths I’ve ever owned.

Yup, what Dreadbox is doing is jus soo much rare. Their sound is just stellar. When i hear Medusa pkaying chords i am experiencing meltdowns.. it’s just eargasm for me, that sound is living organism. Totally unique.

eregasm!

HotStrange

@dendy said:

@HotStrange
My Erebus and Nyx were 2 of the best sounding synths I’ve ever owned.

Yup, what Dreadbox is doing is jus soo much rare. Their sound is just stellar. When i hear Medusa pkaying chords i am experiencing meltdowns.. it’s just eargasm for me, that sound is living organism. Totally unique.

I’ve always kinda wanted the Medusa. I believe it’s discontinued now right?

Their little Eurorack modules are cheap and seem great as well. The Cre8Audio Nifty Bundle + those would be a great and inexpensive was to dive into modular if I ever do it.

tariqyoshi

Here's a new sysex editor for the Microwave 1. It's a bit different than the usual editors, in that it's a web app.

Gunark

Tera Pro does good wavetable, and sounds generally awesome too. I have a Waldorf M though and really it sounds so good (well bad actually but in a great 8 bit way) I don’t think software will get there yet. Saying that the BPST Dagger and Zeeon filters…they’re certainly a match for the digital XT filters in the M

StudioES

I had an XTk and miss it. It's got a raw and gritty sound that's I haven't heard any VST can duplicate.

The Microwave II/XT/XTk also had some unique filters (sine waveshaper, etc.) and a deep mod matrix with modifiers.

oceansinspace

tha microwave is the HEAT! Ozric was lent one for an LP and its was all vowels and amazing new types of sounds to me. Loved that.,

auxmux

@Gunark said:
Tera Pro does good wavetable, and sounds generally awesome too. I have a Waldorf M though and really it sounds so good (well bad actually but in a great 8 bit way) I don’t think software will get there yet. Saying that the BPST Dagger and Zeeon filters…they’re certainly a match for the digital XT filters in the M

Curious on how you like Waldorf M, I've considered it a lot. but with all the options of wavetable synths in software, which I pretty much all have, makes me question if I really need it. Plus, the lack of mod matrix.

Apex

@Telefunky said:

@Antos3345 said:
Yes, this is the time when the hardware is non replaceable by software. I may have to hunt down a used XT.

The XT is a virtual analog synth... it‘s entirely software
(CPU is a Motorola 68k, just like the early Macintoshes)

Its not a “VA” though. Its not trying emulate analog synths. Its an unapologetic digital wavetable synth. VERY digital. Gritty, aliasing, and cold even. It does however compliment an analog synth very nice.

Apex

@auxmux said:

@Gunark said:
Tera Pro does good wavetable, and sounds generally awesome too. I have a Waldorf M though and really it sounds so good (well bad actually but in a great 8 bit way) I don’t think software will get there yet. Saying that the BPST Dagger and Zeeon filters…they’re certainly a match for the digital XT filters in the M

Curious on how you like Waldorf M, I've considered it a lot. but with all the options of wavetable synths in software, which I pretty much all have, makes me question if I really need it. Plus, the lack of mod matrix.

I’ll chime in here. I’ve owned many Waldorf synths. Microwave 1, XT, XTk, Blofeld, Q, among others…and recently the M. I’ll start by saying the M sounds nice. But the design is purposely hobbled, as its trying to recreate thew MW1 (not the MWII, XT). Some rather strange limitations were built into the M. The one that made me ultimately sell it was, you can only have ONE arp (on the first slot) in Multi Mode. One of my favorite things to do with the XT is to stack patches in Multi Mode and made huge evolving soundscapes. With 8 different arps can can make incredible complex rhythms.
No hate whatsoever for the M. Its beautifully built and sounds amazing. It just didn't do what I wanted it to do (really my fault).

auxmux

@Apex said:

@auxmux said:

@Gunark said:
Tera Pro does good wavetable, and sounds generally awesome too. I have a Waldorf M though and really it sounds so good (well bad actually but in a great 8 bit way) I don’t think software will get there yet. Saying that the BPST Dagger and Zeeon filters…they’re certainly a match for the digital XT filters in the M

Curious on how you like Waldorf M, I've considered it a lot. but with all the options of wavetable synths in software, which I pretty much all have, makes me question if I really need it. Plus, the lack of mod matrix.

I’ll chime in here. I’ve owned many Waldorf synths. Microwave 1, XT, XTk, Blofeld, Q, among others…and recently the M. I’ll start by saying the M sounds nice. But the design is purposely hobbled, as its trying to recreate thew MW1 (not the MWII, XT). Some rather strange limitations were built into the M. The one that made me ultimately sell it was, you can only have ONE arp (on the first slot) in Multi Mode. One of my favorite things to do with the XT is to stack patches in Multi Mode and made huge evolving soundscapes. With 8 different arps can can make incredible complex rhythms.
No hate whatsoever for the M. Its beautifully built and sounds amazing. It just didn't do what I wanted it to do (really my fault).

Cool, thanks for sharing. Yeah, for the cost, I feel the limitations would add up being annoyances, even though it has the filters I want in a wavetable synth. Maybe I need to commit to getting a Quantum lol.

u0421793

I know it’s not a waldorf style of synth, and it’s markedly different, but I think it’s worth looking at iWAVESTATION for the similar sort of outcome, as they do have a common ancestor further up the evolutionary tree

Antos3345

The Korg Wavestation I think was a take on the Waldorf PPG wave. It’s a great synth but much cleaner.

Antos3345

I think Bam Bros could pull off a similar clone and sound. Hilda sounds sometimes close to the Pulse.

Telefunky

The Korg Wavestation was the sequel of the Prophet VS (Korg had hired the team when Sequential closed).
PPG was the grand daddy of them all and later licensed parts to Waldorf for the Waldorf Wave.

Antos3345

@Telefunky said:
The Korg Wavestation was the sequel of the Prophet VS (Korg had hired the team when Sequential closed).
PPG was the grand daddy of them all and later licensed parts to Waldorf for the Waldorf Wave.

Ah yes, that’s true. Great synth history !

Slush

@Telefunky said:
The Korg Wavestation was the sequel of the Prophet VS (Korg had hired the team when Sequential closed).
PPG was the grand daddy of them all and later licensed parts to Waldorf for the Waldorf Wave.

Really? I had an original VS. Such a weird and fantastic synth.

Telefunky

Yes, see here 1987...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequential_(company)

seawind161

Update:
https://waldorfmusic.com/microwave-1-for-ipad/

squeals

Demo sounds good.
I remember buying Attack when it came out and I had an issue with 1 of the sections not working. Can’t remember exactly but it had a big impact on its usability and basically meant for me it was working a little better than some nice samples. The response I got didn’t exactly endear me to them, so I’ll wait this one out.

rapidfire

I bought Nave years ago, it’s still a fantastic synth but it’s stuck in the IAA era. Just purchased the Micriwave 1 last night and stayed up till 5am playing around with it and I am really impressed with it, the sounds are so sharp and clear just like Nave and it’s AUv3, brilliant.
The first few things I check out is the ability to save presets and use Midi Program Change in Cubasis 3, sadly the Microwave doesn’t respond to either, you can go through the SAVE Preset routine but it doesn’t actually save at all, the Microwave folder in Files remains empty.
I would be interested if anyone has achieved these two issues.
Thanks
Mike.

uncledave

@rapidfire said:
I bought Nave years ago, it’s still a fantastic synth but it’s stuck in the IAA era. Just purchased the Micriwave 1 last night and stayed up till 5am playing around with it and I am really impressed with it, the sounds are so sharp and clear just like Nave and it’s AUv3, brilliant.
The first few things I check out is the ability to save presets and use Midi Program Change in Cubasis 3, sadly the Microwave doesn’t respond to either, you can go through the SAVE Preset routine but it doesn’t actually save at all, the Microwave folder in Files remains empty.
I would be interested if anyone has achieved these two issues.
Thanks
Mike.

Hi. Are you sure it's not saving the preset? Many apps save their presets in their private (sandboxed) storage, not to the special Documents folder visible in Files. Have you tried loading a previously saved preset? Remember that presets saved in stand-alone may not be visible in AUv3, and vice-versa. Having a common preset folder requires extra effort by the developer.

rapidfire

@uncledave said:

@rapidfire said:
I bought Nave years ago, it’s still a fantastic synth but it’s stuck in the IAA era. Just purchased the Micriwave 1 last night and stayed up till 5am playing around with it and I am really impressed with it, the sounds are so sharp and clear just like Nave and it’s AUv3, brilliant.
The first few things I check out is the ability to save presets and use Midi Program Change in Cubasis 3, sadly the Microwave doesn’t respond to either, you can go through the SAVE Preset routine but it doesn’t actually save at all, the Microwave folder in Files remains empty.
I would be interested if anyone has achieved these two issues.
Thanks
Mike.

Hi. Are you sure it's not saving the preset? Many apps save their presets in their private (sandboxed) storage, not to the special Documents folder visible in Files. Have you tried loading a previously saved preset? Remember that presets saved in stand-alone may not be visible in AUv3, and vice-versa. Having a common preset folder requires extra effort by the developer.

Thanks for your reply. I have played around with the presets saving this morning and found that it now works, they are stored in Files/On My iPad/ Microwave 1, now I just need to figure out how to implement midi program change, the Prog Change is turned on in Multi mode but still no joy yet.
Presets saved in either format will appear in the other.