More despatches from the frontlines of the AI music wars…

Svetlovska

This guy keeps pushing the envelope in interesting ways:

NeuM

Muzak was the first to be replaced by A.I., then they replaced the rappers. Composers will be next.

Tovokas

Fascinating… and terrifying.

mistercharlie

I want the synth in that thumbnail. Also, his amazing jacket

Moderndaycompiler

Thanks for the share @Svetlovska.

“The computer can’t tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what’s missing is the eyebrows.” Frank Zappa

A good perspective on AI for writers from a few years back.
https://robertcormack.medium.com/you-arent-writing-if-you-miss-the-eyebrows-18729e06671f

NeuM

@Moderndaycompiler said:
Thanks for the share @Svetlovska.

“The computer can’t tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what’s missing is the eyebrows.” Frank Zappa

A good perspective on AI for writers from a few years back.
https://robertcormack.medium.com/you-arent-writing-if-you-miss-the-eyebrows-18729e06671f

Breaking News: Announcing immediate availability of artificial eyebrows.

NeuM

@Moderndaycompiler said:
Thanks for the share @Svetlovska.

“The computer can’t tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what’s missing is the eyebrows.” Frank Zappa

A good perspective on AI for writers from a few years back.
https://robertcormack.medium.com/you-arent-writing-if-you-miss-the-eyebrows-18729e06671f

The march toward "A.I." assisted movie/TV production continues. The studios should hold out just a little longer and they may not need to hire writers, actors or artists at this pace.

Pummelfee

So keep the distance, wear your mask, get the booster and stay safe! And listen to artificial „music“ all day long!!

I will not waste my precious lifetime on that crap (rather listening all Lemon Jelly and Hainbach records over and over for the rest of my life), but to each his own ...

knewspeak

@NeuM said:

@Moderndaycompiler said:
Thanks for the share @Svetlovska.

“The computer can’t tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what’s missing is the eyebrows.” Frank Zappa

A good perspective on AI for writers from a few years back.
https://robertcormack.medium.com/you-arent-writing-if-you-miss-the-eyebrows-18729e06671f

The march toward "A.I." assisted movie/TV production continues. The studios should hold out just a little longer and they may not need to hire writers, actors or artists at this pace.

If they hold out further than that they could replace the consumer with AI’s too

Gavinski

@NeuM said:

@Moderndaycompiler said:
Thanks for the share @Svetlovska.

“The computer can’t tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what’s missing is the eyebrows.” Frank Zappa

A good perspective on AI for writers from a few years back.
https://robertcormack.medium.com/you-arent-writing-if-you-miss-the-eyebrows-18729e06671f

The march toward "A.I." assisted movie/TV production continues. The studios should hold out just a little longer and they may not need to hire writers, actors or artists at this pace.

You say this like it's a good thing 🤔

Gravitas

@Gavinski said:

@NeuM said:

@Moderndaycompiler said:
Thanks for the share @Svetlovska.

“The computer can’t tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what’s missing is the eyebrows.” Frank Zappa

A good perspective on AI for writers from a few years back.
https://robertcormack.medium.com/you-arent-writing-if-you-miss-the-eyebrows-18729e06671f

The march toward "A.I." assisted movie/TV production continues. The studios should hold out just a little longer and they may not need to hire writers, actors or artists at this pace.

You say this like it's a good thing 🤔

The disdain for “real” Artists is apparent.
After discussions with someone who has invested heavily in A.I?
It’s a good thing for them as they will not need to pay anyone else ever again.
Why pay for a human who needs to eat and breath when you can
simply feed your A.I countless images or compositions or both
from the entire back catalogue of humanity and let the A.I do the work.
From my perspective as a living breathing Artist it’s an insult
however this is what modern businesses and consumers want as they need not pay a human again.
The World of the everyday Artist was ever thus.

In other words it’s “progress”.
We’ll get over it and find something else to discuss.

MrStochastic

Here’s my take: the guy talking - his voice has a vaguely “young urban” sound but with that flat affect, even when he’s sounding “enthused” about stuff and throwing in words like “rad” ( is that still in circulation? ) etc. it comes across to me like it’s written by a middle aged marketing flack using chatgpt; and then having an AI processed voice to speak the words.
Trying to whip up excitement for google and meta about something that sounds pretty much lifeless. All the examples he’s so over the moon about pale to anyone’s creations here on the forum
Plus the boring labor of it all compared to actually making music yourself.
I know, I know, the tech will evolve; and probably get more sophisticated … sigh.

Svetlovska

If you are referring to the first vid, I think that whole distanced could-actually-be-AI voiceover thing is not an accident, it’s part of his shtick. Reminds me of Poe’s hotel in Altered Carbon. AI hotels almost always empty, because people find staying in them creepy…

AudioGus

I use AI a ton in my job now. Yah this new world is creepy AF. At times I flip between it being seemingly normalized now to looking at it in utter bizarre amazement in disbelief at what you can do with it. Exhausting. Zero idea what my future looks like.

NeuM

@Gavinski said:

@NeuM said:

@Moderndaycompiler said:
Thanks for the share @Svetlovska.

“The computer can’t tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what’s missing is the eyebrows.” Frank Zappa

A good perspective on AI for writers from a few years back.
https://robertcormack.medium.com/you-arent-writing-if-you-miss-the-eyebrows-18729e06671f

The march toward "A.I." assisted movie/TV production continues. The studios should hold out just a little longer and they may not need to hire writers, actors or artists at this pace.

You say this like it's a good thing 🤔

Anything that can be digitized, analyzed and commoditized... will be. On the upside, the computing power of every human mind that has ever lived will eventually be available to us in the form of a desktop computer (or in the form of a humanoid robot). This is inevitable because the demand for it will be extraordinary.

Carnbot

It’s a very useful tool for artists but won’t replace them, it’s only the people who don’t understand art in the first place who think it will do that. For multidisciplinary artists like myself the technology is great because it enables me to do more with less resources, but it’s just a tool.
It will reduce the number of technicians needed in big productions of course, but not replace them, just like most technological progress.

I’d be more worried if I was a lawyer or something less creative, it’s those professions which are more in trouble

Svetlovska

Oh come on now. Lawyers not creative? Ever been billed by one?

Carnbot

@Svetlovska said:
Oh come on now. Lawyers not creative? Ever been billed by one?

exactly, they'll need to get more creative now

But of course in the same way it means good lawyers will be better lawyers with AI assistance, it's just an enhancement.
It just the assistant roles which will suffer more as that's what machine learning is good at.

Phil999

people believe that mind and memory are located in the human brain. It’s an understandable misconception in this materialistic, highly intellectual development phase we live in. This wasn’t the case in ancient times, where the intellect wasn’t developed as today. Our far ancestors were much less clever as we are now, but they had a much stronger connection to the spiritual world; which we partly lost. They could feel and perceive things in clairvoyance, but were unable to extract gasoline from oil and build a motor. Although the material was already there. Nothing has changed since then. In this time of now we can build all this technology, but have become almost blind to clairvoyance. It’s just a development process. In the passing time of thousands of years, human kind has exchanged spiritual perception with intellectual wisdom. It has to be so. And it will be brought together in future developments. No need to worry, it will all come together.

Mind and memory cannot be located in physical terms. The brain is something like an interface to the spiritual world where mind and memory are. But the brain is only the main interface; the heart is another one, the ‘gut’ another. I’m not a savant, there surely are more ‘interfaces’ we have.

Many people are afraid of the spiritual world because there is no clear definition of it. It is vast. Beyond imagination. But that’s not a problem in the end. We all use this world permanently (also during sleep). The good thing is, this memory is without limits. We can learn and memorise as much as we have time in our life. As you know, some people can recite Pi with hundreds of numbers, some can play several piano concerts by heart, some speak a dozen languages, etc.

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AI are just advanced algorithms. They are great, facilitate our work. For example, we can extract a script from spoken words, and translate this script into many languages. A task that would take a lot of time the old way. Now it can be done in an instant. As most of us here, I’m a big fan of computer technology. I just wanted to point out the difference between artificial intelligence and human intelligence. The latter goes way beyond. AI can never tap into the higher, non-materialistic realms as we do. AI’s memory is always limited to a network of databases. Our memory is unlimited, and even more, creative!

Which also brings our greatness to the surface. We may lose a chess game against a computer program, and may be frustrated by this fact. But we can remember the smell of a land we visited as a child. We can remember the injustice of words and treatments we had to endure. We remember the tender touch of our first love affair.

AudioGus

@Carnbot said:
It’s a very useful tool for artists but won’t replace them, it’s only the people who don’t understand art in the first place who think it will do that. For multidisciplinary artists like myself the technology is great because it enables me to do more with less resources, but it’s just a tool.
It will reduce the number of technicians needed in big productions of course, but not replace them, just like most technological progress.

I think a lot of these discussions do have a semantic element to them. A project now requiring only one artist who now does the job of what four used to has essentially 'replaced' those three other artists. I have seen this exact thing happen recently. I am not saying that the whole category of 'artist' is being replaced though, but that is also largely due in part to that title having relatively little concrete meaning these days.

simonnowis

as our thoughts manifest ever quicker,
seems the best approach is to get "right" with yr thought )

Carnbot

@AudioGus said:

@Carnbot said:
It’s a very useful tool for artists but won’t replace them, it’s only the people who don’t understand art in the first place who think it will do that. For multidisciplinary artists like myself the technology is great because it enables me to do more with less resources, but it’s just a tool.
It will reduce the number of technicians needed in big productions of course, but not replace them, just like most technological progress.

I think a lot of these discussions do have a semantic element to them. A project now requiring only one artist who now does the job of what four used to has essentially 'replaced' those three other artists. I have seen this exact thing happen recently. I am not saying that the whole category of 'artist' is being replaced though, but that is also largely due in part to that title having relatively little concrete meaning these days.

Yeah, it's annoying for those who are laid off and certainly it'll displace creative workers and workers in all industries, but it's mainly the less creative parts it will displace hopefully, which are those which can be automated, so if done properly it's a progression because most of us don't want to do the parts which an AI can do well. I will be offloading the bits of labour intensive aspects to an AI I don't want to do as well, it's a massive organisational help. There are so many thing I hate doing which it is getting better at. I never wanted to work in large production lines so the more it can reduce them the better. It's also enabling me to build tools I never could before. I can see that there will be less reliance on big companies for a lot of things in the future, so hopefully there are some interesting positives which will emerge. Big companies I think are going to get more competition from smaller teams.

Yet at the same time there is massive overhyped reality that these tools are just algorithms regurgitating their own training data and this does not match human intelligence at all. So I think in the rush to downsize human labour there are going to be many companies who in this rush will make themselves much weaker and will regret it.

What we want is for AI to displace these workers into creating more independence, and if the system works, it should. But that'll be down to other economic and political factors too, clearly. So I feel both positive and negative about the prospects, depending on which way I look at it.

AudioGus

@Carnbot said:

@AudioGus said:

@Carnbot said:
It’s a very useful tool for artists but won’t replace them, it’s only the people who don’t understand art in the first place who think it will do that. For multidisciplinary artists like myself the technology is great because it enables me to do more with less resources, but it’s just a tool.
It will reduce the number of technicians needed in big productions of course, but not replace them, just like most technological progress.

I think a lot of these discussions do have a semantic element to them. A project now requiring only one artist who now does the job of what four used to has essentially 'replaced' those three other artists. I have seen this exact thing happen recently. I am not saying that the whole category of 'artist' is being replaced though, but that is also largely due in part to that title having relatively little concrete meaning these days.

Yeah, it's annoying for those who are laid off and certainly it'll displace creative workers and workers in all industries, but it's mainly the less creative parts it will displace hopefully, which are those which can be automated, so if done properly it's a progression because most of us don't want to do the parts which an AI can do well. I will be offloading the bits of labour intensive aspects to an AI I don't want to do as well, it's a massive organisational help. There are so many thing I hate doing which it is getting better at. I never wanted to work in large production lines so the more it can reduce them the better. It's also enabling me to build tools I never could before. I can see that there will be less reliance on big companies for a lot of things in the future, so hopefully there are some interesting positives which will emerge. Big companies I think are going to get more competition from smaller teams.

Yet at the same time there is massive overhyped reality that these tools are just algorithms regurgitating their own training data and this does not match human intelligence at all. So I think in the rush to downsize human labour there are going to be many companies who in this rush will make themselves much weaker and will regret it.

What we want is for AI to displace these workers into creating more independence, and if the system works, it should. But that'll be down to other economic and political factors too, clearly. So I feel both positive and negative about the prospects, depending on which way I look at it.

I have not seen specific layoffs because of AI directly; it has happened more by typical corporate attrition and where those who did not jump on board early and prove their willingness/aptitude towards it simply were not seen as valuable as those who did adopt it. So when inevitable system wide downsizing occurred due to regular economic factors... decisions were made.

As for the kinds of areas it 'streamlines' (reduces the need for people, sigh) it has definitely been mostly on the concepting and creative positions. The vast majority of work remains on the less automate-able and noodely; typically seen as drudge work by the people who have been replaced. For me though I tend to see myself as wanting to be responsible for a whole process from 0-100% complete, so if I can reduce the time it takes to do any given step I am happy, even if it is the 'creative/magic' side (old=cynical/lol). One day my current 0-100% may be done by a single button press though, but by then my own sense of what my 0-100% is will hopefully continue to have expanded too, if that makes sense. But more than likely I will just hit natural retirement around that time, fingers crossed.

But yah, many commercial art purists who went through art school and have traditional training are finding this whole new legal loophole era of machines trained on copyrighted data remix culture to be an abhorrent and unethical nightmare sending humanity down the pisser yadda etc. Being an ethically fluid degenerate has it's advantages I guess.