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Transitioning off icloud to external drive back up - a question

GavinskiGavinski
edited September 2023 in General App Discussion

I want to stop my icloud and just move everything that is currently on icloud - photos, all files, everything - to an external drive. Some initial googling gives me the impression that I might have been naive in thinking I could do this in just one click or drag or whatever. Google keeps throwing me poor search results when u search for things like 'back up icloud to external hard drive'. I keep getting links to things trying to sell me 3rd party software to do this, or that somehow seem to want to throw a mac or windows machine into the mix. Could anyone confirm for me the simplest way to just get everything off icloud quickly and with no anxiety that I may have accidentally forgotten to download something which I'll later lose access to? Rue the day I ever paid for iCloud - should have just gone for an external hard drive from the get go. Just turned into a money sink that I never got any benefit from and that actually caused more annoyance than anything, by doing things like unnecessarily offloading files to icloud even though I still had tons of space on my device, then making me have to download them when I wanted access to them. Another day, another reason to hate Apple....🙃

Comments

  • cyberheatercyberheater

    I’m sticking with iCloud. I know it’s money but at least I know my photos are safe.

  • catherdercatherder

    @Gavinski did you have a look at this support article: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204055
    It's all done without third party apps and manually.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @catherder said:
    @Gavinski did you have a look at this support article: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204055
    It's all done without third party apps and manually.

    I did. But have you read it? For example, backing up your photos, backing up various files etc are all different things requiring different actions. It's quite a pain.

  • catherdercatherder

    @Gavinski said:

    @catherder said:
    @Gavinski did you have a look at this support article: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204055
    It's all done without third party apps and manually.

    I did. But have you read it? For example, backing up your photos, backing up various files etc are all different things requiring different actions. It's quite a pain.

    Agree - a real pain. The problem is that iCloud uses different storage methods for different kinds of information (files, photos etc.). I never liked Apples way to store photos - both locally and in the cloud. If you have enough free storage space in iCloud, then you could move all your folders into one folder, compress it and download the compressed file in one go. There is probably no way around to use another method to download the photos.

  • cyberheatercyberheater

    @Gavinski said:

    @catherder said:
    @Gavinski did you have a look at this support article: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204055
    It's all done without third party apps and manually.

    I did. But have you read it? For example, backing up your photos, backing up various files etc are all different things requiring different actions. It's quite a pain.

    That’s one of the main things that put me off. If they offered a service where you could download all your photos as a single zip file then I would have gone down that route. As it stands there are to many hurdles to jump through.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @catherder said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @catherder said:
    @Gavinski did you have a look at this support article: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204055
    It's all done without third party apps and manually.

    I did. But have you read it? For example, backing up your photos, backing up various files etc are all different things requiring different actions. It's quite a pain.

    Agree - a real pain. The problem is that iCloud uses different storage methods for different kinds of information (files, photos etc.). I never liked Apples way to store photos - both locally and in the cloud. If you have enough free storage space in iCloud, then you could move all your folders into one folder, compress it and download the compressed file in one go. There is probably no way around to use another method to download the photos.

    Ah, clever thinking, thank you

    @cyberheater said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @catherder said:
    @Gavinski did you have a look at this support article: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204055
    It's all done without third party apps and manually.

    I did. But have you read it? For example, backing up your photos, backing up various files etc are all different things requiring different actions. It's quite a pain.

    That’s one of the main things that put me off. If they offered a service where you could download all your photos as a single zip file then I would have gone down that route. As it stands there are to many hurdles to jump through.

    Yes - was discussing this privately with @Krupa and we both suspect that the way iCloud is set up may have a significant amount to do with customer capture. It's designed in such a way that

    1. people will need to keep upgrading their plan
    2. the price jumps between plans are ridiculous from a consumer perspective - next level up from 200GB is 2TB?? Gimme a break
    3. There is fear and uncertainty around how to transition off iCloud without losing anything, and it's not as easy to do as it should be

    Hopefully the good old EU will step in and give them a bit of a ballbreaking over at least some of these 'features'.

  • catherdercatherder
    edited September 2023

    @Gavinski said:

    @catherder said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @catherder said:
    @Gavinski did you have a look at this support article: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204055
    It's all done without third party apps and manually.

    I did. But have you read it? For example, backing up your photos, backing up various files etc are all different things requiring different actions. It's quite a pain.

    Agree - a real pain. The problem is that iCloud uses different storage methods for different kinds of information (files, photos etc.). I never liked Apples way to store photos - both locally and in the cloud. If you have enough free storage space in iCloud, then you could move all your folders into one folder, compress it and download the compressed file in one go. There is probably no way around to use another method to download the photos.

    Ah, clever thinking, thank you

    @cyberheater said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @catherder said:
    @Gavinski did you have a look at this support article: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204055
    It's all done without third party apps and manually.

    I did. But have you read it? For example, backing up your photos, backing up various files etc are all different things requiring different actions. It's quite a pain.

    That’s one of the main things that put me off. If they offered a service where you could download all your photos as a single zip file then I would have gone down that route. As it stands there are to many hurdles to jump through.

    Yes - was discussing this privately with @Krupa and we both suspect that the way iCloud is set up may have a significant amount to do with customer capture. It's designed in such a way that

    1. people will need to keep upgrading their plan
    2. the price jumps between plans are ridiculous from a consumer perspective - next level up from 200GB is 2TB?? Gimme a break
    3. There is fear and uncertainty around how to transition off iCloud without losing anything, and it's not as easy to do as it should be

    Hopefully the good old EU will step in and give them a bit of a ballbreaking over at least some of these 'features'.

    Apples philosophy was always to create a golden cage to imprison the customer. I still remember the times with all these non-standard Mac plugs that transferred signals that technically would work with a PC, but the plug was made "apple only". The worst was a set of "design" speakers that were released in the early 2000s: Not only had the 3.5mm jack for the audio input a metal ring around it, so that you could not plug it into anything other than a mac. They even went so far as to put a chip into the cable that needed to receive some serial pulse sequence in order to allow the analogue signal to pass thru to the speakers. The chip was hidden in a "wart" that looked like a strain relief where the main cable branched off to the two speakers.
    A way to trap the uninitiated Apple customer.
    A call of duty for my side cutters and soldering iron...

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @catherder said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @catherder said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @catherder said:
    @Gavinski did you have a look at this support article: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204055
    It's all done without third party apps and manually.

    I did. But have you read it? For example, backing up your photos, backing up various files etc are all different things requiring different actions. It's quite a pain.

    Agree - a real pain. The problem is that iCloud uses different storage methods for different kinds of information (files, photos etc.). I never liked Apples way to store photos - both locally and in the cloud. If you have enough free storage space in iCloud, then you could move all your folders into one folder, compress it and download the compressed file in one go. There is probably no way around to use another method to download the photos.

    Ah, clever thinking, thank you

    @cyberheater said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @catherder said:
    @Gavinski did you have a look at this support article: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204055
    It's all done without third party apps and manually.

    I did. But have you read it? For example, backing up your photos, backing up various files etc are all different things requiring different actions. It's quite a pain.

    That’s one of the main things that put me off. If they offered a service where you could download all your photos as a single zip file then I would have gone down that route. As it stands there are to many hurdles to jump through.

    Yes - was discussing this privately with @Krupa and we both suspect that the way iCloud is set up may have a significant amount to do with customer capture. It's designed in such a way that

    1. people will need to keep upgrading their plan
    2. the price jumps between plans are ridiculous from a consumer perspective - next level up from 200GB is 2TB?? Gimme a break
    3. There is fear and uncertainty around how to transition off iCloud without losing anything, and it's not as easy to do as it should be

    Hopefully the good old EU will step in and give them a bit of a ballbreaking over at least some of these 'features'.

    Apples philosophy was always to create a golden cage to imprison the customer. I still remember the times with all these non-standard Mac plugs that transferred signals that technically would work with a PC, but the plug was made "apple only". The worst was a set of "design" speakers that were released in the early 2000s: Not only had the 3.5mm jack for the audio input a metal ring around it, so that you could not plug it into anything other than a mac. They even went so far as to put a chip into the cable that needed to receive some serial pulse sequence in order to allow the analogue signal to pass thru to the speakers. The chip was hidden in a "wart" that looked like a strain relief where the main cable branched off to the two speakers.
    A way to trap the uninitiated Apple customer.
    A call of duty for my side cutters and soldering iron...

    Yeah... Love the products, hate the company

    Long live your soldering iron!

  • cyberheatercyberheater

    @catherder said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @catherder said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @catherder said:
    @Gavinski did you have a look at this support article: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204055
    It's all done without third party apps and manually.

    I did. But have you read it? For example, backing up your photos, backing up various files etc are all different things requiring different actions. It's quite a pain.

    Agree - a real pain. The problem is that iCloud uses different storage methods for different kinds of information (files, photos etc.). I never liked Apples way to store photos - both locally and in the cloud. If you have enough free storage space in iCloud, then you could move all your folders into one folder, compress it and download the compressed file in one go. There is probably no way around to use another method to download the photos.

    Ah, clever thinking, thank you

    @cyberheater said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @catherder said:
    @Gavinski did you have a look at this support article: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204055
    It's all done without third party apps and manually.

    I did. But have you read it? For example, backing up your photos, backing up various files etc are all different things requiring different actions. It's quite a pain.

    That’s one of the main things that put me off. If they offered a service where you could download all your photos as a single zip file then I would have gone down that route. As it stands there are to many hurdles to jump through.

    Yes - was discussing this privately with @Krupa and we both suspect that the way iCloud is set up may have a significant amount to do with customer capture. It's designed in such a way that

    1. people will need to keep upgrading their plan
    2. the price jumps between plans are ridiculous from a consumer perspective - next level up from 200GB is 2TB?? Gimme a break
    3. There is fear and uncertainty around how to transition off iCloud without losing anything, and it's not as easy to do as it should be

    Hopefully the good old EU will step in and give them a bit of a ballbreaking over at least some of these 'features'.

    Apples philosophy was always to create a golden cage to imprison the customer. I still remember the times with all these non-standard Mac plugs that transferred signals that technically would work with a PC, but the plug was made "apple only". The worst was a set of "design" speakers that were released in the early 2000s: Not only had the 3.5mm jack for the audio input a metal ring around it, so that you could not plug it into anything other than a mac. They even went so far as to put a chip into the cable that needed to receive some serial pulse sequence in order to allow the analogue signal to pass thru to the speakers. The chip was hidden in a "wart" that looked like a strain relief where the main cable branched off to the two speakers.
    A way to trap the uninitiated Apple customer.
    A call of duty for my side cutters and soldering iron...

    As I understand it most of their newer phones are basically non-repairable as each component is "coded" to the phone.

  • catherdercatherder
    edited September 2023

    @cyberheater said:

    @catherder said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @catherder said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @catherder said:
    @Gavinski did you have a look at this support article: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204055
    It's all done without third party apps and manually.

    I did. But have you read it? For example, backing up your photos, backing up various files etc are all different things requiring different actions. It's quite a pain.

    Agree - a real pain. The problem is that iCloud uses different storage methods for different kinds of information (files, photos etc.). I never liked Apples way to store photos - both locally and in the cloud. If you have enough free storage space in iCloud, then you could move all your folders into one folder, compress it and download the compressed file in one go. There is probably no way around to use another method to download the photos.

    Ah, clever thinking, thank you

    @cyberheater said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @catherder said:
    @Gavinski did you have a look at this support article: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204055
    It's all done without third party apps and manually.

    I did. But have you read it? For example, backing up your photos, backing up various files etc are all different things requiring different actions. It's quite a pain.

    That’s one of the main things that put me off. If they offered a service where you could download all your photos as a single zip file then I would have gone down that route. As it stands there are to many hurdles to jump through.

    Yes - was discussing this privately with @Krupa and we both suspect that the way iCloud is set up may have a significant amount to do with customer capture. It's designed in such a way that

    1. people will need to keep upgrading their plan
    2. the price jumps between plans are ridiculous from a consumer perspective - next level up from 200GB is 2TB?? Gimme a break
    3. There is fear and uncertainty around how to transition off iCloud without losing anything, and it's not as easy to do as it should be

    Hopefully the good old EU will step in and give them a bit of a ballbreaking over at least some of these 'features'.

    Apples philosophy was always to create a golden cage to imprison the customer. I still remember the times with all these non-standard Mac plugs that transferred signals that technically would work with a PC, but the plug was made "apple only". The worst was a set of "design" speakers that were released in the early 2000s: Not only had the 3.5mm jack for the audio input a metal ring around it, so that you could not plug it into anything other than a mac. They even went so far as to put a chip into the cable that needed to receive some serial pulse sequence in order to allow the analogue signal to pass thru to the speakers. The chip was hidden in a "wart" that looked like a strain relief where the main cable branched off to the two speakers.
    A way to trap the uninitiated Apple customer.
    A call of duty for my side cutters and soldering iron...

    As I understand it most of their newer phones are basically non-repairable as each component is "coded" to the phone.

    Yes, and Apple has probably the apocalyptic horseman "Famine" from Terry Pratchett's and Neil Gaiman's "Good Omens" as chief consultant: Make the people so addicted to slimming that in the end everyone will die. Or in other words: Make your devices so slim that they cannot be repaired anymore and have to be thrown away. The ultimate victory of corporate greed over environmental concerns. Even Crowley, the demon from the novel, would probably think that this is going too far...
    Apologies for diverting from the original topic - Terry Pratchett fan here.

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  • HotStrangeHotStrange

    Agree with all the comments here. I’m still gonna stick to iCloud for most things but I do want to get an SSD for Decent Sampler and PSP2 storage as the 2 of them take up nearly 100gb of storage on my iPad. Just that alone will help a lot.

  • qryssqryss

    You people and yer Apple hating. You're just holding it wrong!

  • mistercharliemistercharlie

    I’ve been thinking about coming off the cloud, but with modern computing it’s hard. I would need some kind of sync between devices, preferably a private server running at home.

    Once you get used to a certain level of convenience, it’s hard to go back. At this point, the cloud is the OS, and our devices are peripherals.

    ICloud Photo Library, universal clipboard, documents synced between devices. The only way to really get out would be to use just one device.

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  • mistercharliemistercharlie

    @ehehehe said:

    @mistercharlie said:
    ICloud Photo Library, universal clipboard, documents synced between devices. The only way to really get out would be to use just one device.

    Or use any of the many third-party options available, doing alot more manual backups. To me it isn't worth the time, and i've never had any problems with icloud. I feel safer with a big company keeping my mundane files than anyone smaller that can easily go broke.

    I was talking about leaving the cloud altogether. If I'm sticking with it, I'm much happier with Apple from both the privacy angle, and from the compatibility angle I've had very few iCloud problems. The only ones have been with iCloud Drive.

  • LuxthorLuxthor

    @Gavinski said:

    @catherder said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @catherder said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @catherder said:
    @Gavinski did you have a look at this support article: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204055
    It's all done without third party apps and manually.

    I did. But have you read it? For example, backing up your photos, backing up various files etc are all different things requiring different actions. It's quite a pain.

    Agree - a real pain. The problem is that iCloud uses different storage methods for different kinds of information (files, photos etc.). I never liked Apples way to store photos - both locally and in the cloud. If you have enough free storage space in iCloud, then you could move all your folders into one folder, compress it and download the compressed file in one go. There is probably no way around to use another method to download the photos.

    Ah, clever thinking, thank you

    @cyberheater said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @catherder said:
    @Gavinski did you have a look at this support article: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204055
    It's all done without third party apps and manually.

    I did. But have you read it? For example, backing up your photos, backing up various files etc are all different things requiring different actions. It's quite a pain.

    That’s one of the main things that put me off. If they offered a service where you could download all your photos as a single zip file then I would have gone down that route. As it stands there are to many hurdles to jump through.

    Yes - was discussing this privately with @Krupa and we both suspect that the way iCloud is set up may have a significant amount to do with customer capture. It's designed in such a way that

    1. people will need to keep upgrading their plan
    2. the price jumps between plans are ridiculous from a consumer perspective - next level up from 200GB is 2TB?? Gimme a break
    3. There is fear and uncertainty around how to transition off iCloud without losing anything, and it's not as easy to do as it should be

    Hopefully the good old EU will step in and give them a bit of a ballbreaking over at least some of these 'features'.

    Apples philosophy was always to create a golden cage to imprison the customer. I still remember the times with all these non-standard Mac plugs that transferred signals that technically would work with a PC, but the plug was made "apple only". The worst was a set of "design" speakers that were released in the early 2000s: Not only had the 3.5mm jack for the audio input a metal ring around it, so that you could not plug it into anything other than a mac. They even went so far as to put a chip into the cable that needed to receive some serial pulse sequence in order to allow the analogue signal to pass thru to the speakers. The chip was hidden in a "wart" that looked like a strain relief where the main cable branched off to the two speakers.
    A way to trap the uninitiated Apple customer.
    A call of duty for my side cutters and soldering iron...

    Yeah... Love the products, hate the company

    Long live your soldering iron!

    iCloud is not just Apple server-based; it is shared with Google Cloud and Amazon S3. You can’t escape the big ones! 😅

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