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Earlier this summer I made a video comparing some free ir. There is links to some free IR from Ownhammer and Spector sound studio . Why not start there.
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/56880/free-ir-shoutout-nembrini-vs-specter-sound-studio-vs-ownhammer#latest
Thanks
As mentioned up-thread, many people think the OwnHammer IRs result in a better sound than the IRs included with the Nembrini amps or THU rigs. It is that simple
I think the tone-x pedal and included auv3 and software is the best. I’m not sure if you want to spend a couple of hundred. It is what I was looking to get after seeing and hearing really good results from more than just myself .
I'd add that in addition to EQ and reverberation, cabinet IRs also influence compression and even saturation ... in small degrees, just as their real-world counterparts do.
The winter tires analogy is far too simplistic. Depending on where you live, driving in winter conditions requires additional grip. Winter tires vary in the tradeoffs between additional grip and their effect on noise, ride comfort, and handling. You don't need to know a whole lot to know whether you need them or not and which brand/models have the characteristics that you need.
With tires there are relatively few variables, and the characteristics of different tire models are well identified and measurable. The variables for cabinet IR effect are almost infinitely more in number and aren't readily measurable. Even if they were quantifiable, the user's preference would still be completely subjective.
There's no way around it. This is one of those things that you just have to try and have to trust your own feelings. There's plenty of good advice here already about how to reduce the effort.
That’s a pedal generally designed to get some distortion from a fender amp.
Pair it with any decent Tonex model of a fender and you’ll be happy.
If you need to delve into the world of IR’s, there are a lot of options and it helps a lot to be specific about what kind of speaker and mic you want. There are speakers that sound great in person eg. JBL, Altec, EV but aren’t well represented with IRs. I have heard some convincing Celestion IR’s though.
As far as accuracy goes, I find a whole amp capture is best. Sonically though an IR and direct capture or amp model might be better to get something specific.
Just sayin' ... that PA is going to impart some character of its own. The same IR that sounds good in headphones will probably sound a lot different through the PA.
Ownhammer (r)Evolution fan here. I also prefer the Nembrini IR Loader to the other options. Several years ago, I wrote a set of instructions on organizing the IRs in the (r)Evolution bundle. Maybe this will be helpful: https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/comment/839352/#Comment_839352
These days, I only use the one “best” (per Ownhammer) IR for each speaker/cab combination so a total of 12 files in all. Those 12 provide more than enough tonal variety, from big Marshalls to small Fender and Vox combos.
The demos at the bottom of the r(Evolution) page sound very convincing (to my ears)… https://www.ownhammer.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=449
And as @wim said, playing through a PA speaker will seriously mess with the sound so if possible, use decent headphones or studio monitors to compare IRs.
just a thought, when I browse through IR's, I instantly hear what speakers I don't like at all (mostly speakers with a dense sound). And I don't hear much difference between speakers I do like. I always choose the recommended mix, I don't want to mess with different microphone setups, microphone angles, high gain/low gain capture, etc.
And from my experience, the real differences between IR's show up when you play with a lot of gain, with low gain the differences are smaller. I don't play with high gain that much.
When listening with headphones I add a little bit of reverb to make the sound more smooth. Guitar sounds pretty harsh when totally dry.
Personally I have found the whole IR rabbit hole pretty disappointing. Not that you can’t get great tones from them, because obviously you can, but I really don’t enjoy spending hours going through dozens of different options.
Ownhammer in particular are horrible to deal with. The file naming is diabolical, it’s really hard to make sense of the naming conventions, there are way too many options and the whole experience of dealing with these files is nothing but tedious.
I’ve settled on just using a Strymon Iridium pedal for my amp and cab tones and I couldn’t be happier: I can dial in the tone I want in seconds. You could of course do the same thing with a good amp and cab sim, but most of them offer too many options. Maybe a favoured Nembrini and one or two good IRS could offer the same simplicity, but again you would need to put the research in to find what’s right for you.
Of course for those who are happy with Ownhammer etc all power to you, I’m just stating a subjective and personal opinion. YMMV etc.
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Thanks. Trying to get a sense of the juice and the squeeze. How good is the juice? How much is the squeeze?
The organization is a mess BUT once one knows that there is a summary folder for each cab, the process is pretty quick. Schmootown’s post is very helpful for that.
Re: using IRs or amp sims live, if you aren’t playing an amp through a physical cabinet, the player will not have the same experience as standing in front of the amp.
So, if one wants that experience, one needs to play in front of an amp and cabinet.
What the best amp sims and IRs will give you is the experience of listening to a well mic’d amp— which is different.
Even if the sim/IR doesn’t sound the same as playing in front of an amp…when you record and play it back, it should achieve a similar quality or better quality than if you record your amp and cab.
What one needs to compare are the recorded results.
Btw, you mention that you have Nembrini amps and Thu rigs. Turn off the IR (by looking at the amp’s rack view) will show you the value. The Nembrini amps are using IRs by default. I am going to guess that if you turn off the cabinet in those amps, you will find the sound less pleasing.
By the same token, load a THU rig you like. Turn off its cabinet. It probably sounds a lot worse. The rig cabinets are IR-based.
Downloading the rEvolution Bundle now. See how it goes.
I get the idea that the IR captures the whole ambience and setup of the physical environment.
This does have me wondering if swapping out IR with the TH-U rigs runs against the spirit of that product. Like a Kemper, it is modeling the whole black box of the rig, cab, and mic, and AFAIK room as well.
BTW, the King of Tone pedal into the TH-U ChopTone Fender Twin rigs worked sounded really good last night. I like the Sparking Clean patch best.
A THU rig’s cabinet ir is separate from the amp capture. I load a rig. Turn off its cabinet and use an IR instead …not always but usually… but that is just my preference.
Man, the IR files are massive. I hope Ownhammer is good about letting me download the files again in a couple of years to other devices.
Typicall I backup my files to Evernote. But these are likely too big.
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Good to know, thx!
An IR captures a particular cabinet mic’d in a particular way. A close-mic’d IR doesn’t capture the whole environment…only what a close mic would get. The reason there are so many IRs in the OwnHammer sets is that they provide IRs captured with a variety of mics set up in a variety of positions so that people that have particular preferences can get the style they like.
The sets also include back of cabinet and distant capture IRs that some people like as secondary IRs to fill out the sound.
It is all about capturing different mic’ing styles.
Daveypoo posted a good demonstration of how using a room or back of cabinet IR sometimes adds depth.
Downloaded at 6.4 Gb. Probably more than I care to transfer to the iPad, even with AirDrop. I might audition them via Reaper/ THU / American Classics / Overdriven Twin on my Macbook.
Read schmootown’s linked post about what you need from the bundle. You only need a handful of the thousand ms of options. They lay out clearly what you will want to start with. The post will save you hours of last time and direct you to what you want. Short version: you only need the mono summary folders for each cabinet at whatever sample rate you typically use.
All on the iPad now, in a new Files folder.
I can Share one zip file into Thafnker directly, but them it opens up thousands of IRs. Geez.
Can find a way to import just a few of the actual IRs impulse into Thafnker. I'll view the YouTube linked somewhere on how to tame down the workflow with the un-spellable T app.
Really, look at schmootown’s post. Put the handful of summary IRs you will want into a folder.zip that folder and extract into THAFKNAR… you can also load the ones you like into THU.
I would start start with one summary IR per cabinet.
Schmootown’s tips:
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/comment/839352/#Comment_839352
Daveypoo’s tips:
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/40534/the-great-hunt-for-virtual-guitar-tone-daveypoo-the-mobile-music-minstrel/p1
Got some good results tonight, folks! Use the THU CHP fender twin and the CHP 1959 RR, both with impressive results.