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Wow. That's Freddy all right.
And he's not the only one.
Stephen Fry (who has had an interest in AI for years) has just been totally ripped off based on audiobooks he's narrated, and I'd imagine far more easily given the isolated sound source of a narrating voice.
https://deadline.com/2023/09/harry-potter-uk-audiobooks-narrator-stephen-fry-warns-ai-ripoff-1235548993/
Impressive 🤯
Does anyone know how to find and use a well built AI voice that is NOT based on some famous singer?
Basically, I want to find an artificial singer that I can use on top of my songs, without the risk of copyright issues in the future. It doesn’t have to be perfect, but good enough to trick the listener
That recent court ruling might well mean that those copyright issues would be just as bad with a generic singer as it would be with a famous one…
@128BPM : Elon Musks partner Grimes will sell you hers:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoniopequenoiv/2023/06/12/grimes-helps-artists-distribute-songs-using-her-ai-voice--if-they-pay-royalties-heres-how-it-works/?sh=3806d0dc49ae
Haha yes, I saw the Grimes offer.
Not interested in supporting their family…
What I want is a totally “anonymous” artificial voice that I can tweak a bit.
That’s freddy alright +1
I have no idea what the original song is, though. Something something Adele?
@pedro : As the title of the video makes clear, it is System Of A Down, ‘Toxicity’.
This is the original:
“Conversion, software version 7.0
Looking at life through the eyes of a tire hub
Eating seeds as a pastime activity
The toxicity of our city, our city
You, what do you own the world?
How do you own disorder? Disorder
Now somewhere between the sacred silence
Sacred silence and sleep
Somewhere, between the sacred silence and sleep
Disorder, disorder, disorder
More wood for their fires, loud neighbors
Flashlight reveries caught in the headlights of a truck
Eating seeds as a pastime activity
The toxicity of our city, of our city
You, what do you own the world?
How do you own disorder? Disorder
Now somewhere between the sacred silence
Sacred silence and sleep
Somewhere between the sacred silence and sleep
Disorder, disorder, disorder
You, what do you own the world?
How do you own disorder?
Now somewhere between the sacred silence
Sacred silence and sleep
Somewhere, between the sacred silence and sleep
Disorder, disorder, disorder
When I became the sun
I shone life into the man's hearts
When I became the sun
I shone life into the man's hearts”
Frankly, I prefer the ‘Freddy’ cover.
A generic singer? Is that a real living person or a robot?
In my former life, I wrote some commercial songs for fun. They generated airplay and great times.
The problem was always to find and keep the singer: initially they all were eager to join the projects and get the spotlight (I did all the work/covered expenses), but after a while they either wanted to “stay true” to themselves and sing Billie Holiday instead of our 3:20 radio bubblegum (No, your voice is not that good, and you’re a spoiled middle class teenager), they wanted to write the songs themselves (without ANY talent/discipline) or their parents/brothers/uncles wanted to be the manager. I got tired and turned to sound installations
Now I’m old and want to have fun/write some cheesy songs with a good-enough voice/robot/slave that I have 100% control of.
I don’t want to search for a real singer…or to use to AI Freddy Mercury.
I can’t be the only one?
This is the same shit like what's happening with movie vfx done on deceased(or not) actors. It's just nasty. But i guess techmology and progress... It's just a gimmick once you realize it's AI then you start distancing yourself from it because you know it's not genuine.
I dread all the upcoming new songs from dead superstars…
I've just done further 'research' so you don't have to.
This included Freddy continuing to make just about any song better, Donald Trump performing "You're welcome" from Moana, a Star Wars B1 battle droid singing 'My way', and this one below... Ol' Blue Eyes himself covering Green Day with help from the awesome Post Modern Jukebox. Anything seems possible now!
https://youtu.be/rH14QH9jSDQ?si=rIebFZOV7xKJurI-
@Milkyway1980 : AI just nasty: is it though? The person who made this video claims they are not monetising it, and the royalties will go to the original creators. Artistically, for what it is worth, the ‘cover’ is more to my taste than the original, in the same way that I preferred the quiet, fragile take on Mad World by Michael Andrews and Gary Jules:
rather than the original bombastic version by Tears For Fears.
The justification for any cover, AI or not, is if it brings something new and artistically appropriate to the party, isn’t it?
I’m sure if you’re not making a fortune out of it you’ll be fine, it was only ruled in that decision as the guy wanted to place his copyright in something that had been AI generated…
But in some settings, a new AI voice could make sense:
1 hit wonder Bubblegum pop (who cares about the singer) electro (the real hard stuff), and experimental new frontier never heard before genres ?
@128BPM : You mean, like:
She’s been a pop star in Japan since 2007. And began as a vocal software anyone can buy. William Gibson was there first of course, with his novel Idoru, published in 1996:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idoru
As the great man said:
“The future is already here – it’s just not very evenly distributed.”
There's a subtle difference to what you want and how these videos work. They are taking two inputs, the massive library of training material provided by the original vocal artists, and the modern performance of someone else.
Replicating Sinatra's voice is 'easy' but unless complementary phrasing and cadence is there in the modern song he's 'singing' then it'll sound off.
Speaking cadence is already pretty much figured out, voiceovers for corporate training courses I've recently endured have all been AI, but simply giving an AI a bunch of MIDI, lyrics, and telling it to sing like Sinatra isn't there yet.
Next year... who knows!
@belldu : very good point! As I understand it, the best of these, like ‘Freddy’ are using a real performer to give all the expression to the voice, and then just mapping the AI voice clone onto that human performance. My own little experiment with Vincent Price’s voice reading a poem by Lovecraft was recognisably his voice (after less than ten minutes’ training by me!) but the delivery was flat and unemotional. Dead, you might say…
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ixOiB_k_7XgVxexWq8yxbHMd2YKwEAkQ/view?usp=drivesdk
Yes I’m aware of this star 🤗 (but thanks).
Im searching for a more natural voice. This is too Minnie Mouse for me.
Well the one that I've heard, on this forum, is:
https://emvoiceapp.com/
It's all too synthetic for me, but AI tools shouldn't be used in isolation, so perhaps use one of these for a rough mix, then apply a more sophisticated trained imitation over the top just like the Freddy & Frank examples above.
In fairness, Emvoice isn’t bad. Mac & PC only, one time fee of $79, e.g.:
It’s going to matter a lot matching the limitations to the material to achieve convincing results:
At least as good as a bad real singer…
Yep, and I should've linked to the forum regular using this. Here's his latest:
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/57494/decade-logic-pro-and-emvoice-melancholy-pop-track#latest
Thanks to both of You
“ At least as good as a bad real singer…” 🥰🤣🥳
At least I don’t need to feed them snacks and brush their ego.
I’ll check Emvoice and their competitors.
The best strategy would be:
1: write more great songs
2: produce them 90%
3: wait a year or two for better robots.
4: finish them, release.
Are you kidding - That’s ‘Freddy’ alright? That’s not even how his name is spelled never mind sound like him. It’s nothing like him. Try listening to a few Queen albums.
Isn't it same like watching 20 something Harrison Ford in latest Indiana Jones? Yes they will perfect it and it AI might be good as real actor, but the question is can it be enjoyable if you know in back of your mind that it's not a real actor(though using actor might not be a best analogy since they are faking real emotions on screen anyways) ? I guess like in next example you posted with Idoru, some people will just like it and not care if it's real or not
I think the really exciting space is where the boundaries break down, between what is real and what is artificial. (Especially when you have anime avatars apparently occupying real stages!)
As a non musician, I have no instrument-playing craft skill to defend here, I’m only interested in outcomes.
The analogy might be appreciating a craft made wooden chair for the skill of the maker, but being equally fine with sitting on a mass produced piece of industrial design. There is still the hand and mind of a human in the process that makes the industrial chair, and at the level of function, it is as good as the craft made piece. Though it is abstracted, I can appreciate each for their distinct qualities.
As someone who has sought to overcome my personal lack of musicality by extensive resort to random and artificial processes, I’m excited, not daunted, to see these developments. I actively look forward to adopting the role of producer directing AI ‘session players’.
I don’t doubt that the democratisation of this tech will lead to a lot of bad music being made (including my own, most likely) but I also expect that the best artists will find new ways of making with these tools that the algorithms just couldn’t achieve on their own.