Mozaic or Panel - that is Vertical and 'Rides' in the AUM Channel

Vmusic

Hi,
I am looking for something like Mozaic, or Knob Lab - something that lets you create your own "panel" of interface buttons - and [most importantly] - let's you program or write scripting to send MIDI messages at the push of a button (or knob, or whatever interface control) ~~~> moster important will present a window that is VERTICAL as shown, rather than horizontal spanning or crossing over various channels. Anything like this exist?

See the picture :::: question. By experiment, I can see that AUM will let you "store or save" the position of the Mozaic window when you close the session. When you reopen the session - the Mozaic window is right in the position it was at closure. CooL-but - if the Window was vertical, like the picture shows - will the plugin "ride" or "stay with" the channel it's in? Meaning - if I had a MIDI channel and 17 audio channels (which I do); and I started scrolling the AUM window left to right, will the open plugin window stay with the channel it's in? or will it move as the AUM window moves?

Thanks

McD

Everyone is always hoping to get more use of the AUM screen by changing the design.

The single complaint I have is when it misses a gesture… most often the horizontal sliding of a node to enable or disable
an app from being “on”.

Still… it converts more routing, sidechaining and bussing than any of the other DAWs. If Loopy Pro is close just slip me a clue.

4 Pockets “Surface Builder” can present vertically aligned PADs:

What would you like the PADs to do? Surface Builder can invoke Audio Clips, send MIDI CC events and such.

Vmusic

@McD Thanks for the 4 Pockets reco - I'll check it out. My request is not a criticism of AUM. However - I will ALWAYS want more out of any software I use. I feel like musicians (guitar players, and others who have analog instruments ) who use AUM for live performances for real time fx with the plugins, are kind of the 'red headed stepchild' - compared to those use AUM without analog instrument input. It is what it is.
I have also reached out to BraumBros to request this change to Mozaic.

AUM is a powerful tool, without question. Being able to have a plug in screen with buttons - like your picture - sit in a channel slot would be very valuable.

belldu

If you want something powerful that only Mozaic can do then perhaps use SurfaceBuilder to emit the CC, have Mozaic receive the CC and do its thing in the background.

McD

@belldu said:
If you want something powerful that only Mozaic can do then perhaps use SurfaceBuilder to emit the CC, have Mozaic receive the CC and do its thing in the background.

That’s an interesting idea… Mozaic has a great selection of UI options but sometimes you hit a limit and need a few more of something.

Vmusic

Great Ideas!!!! @McD @belldu Thank you!!

wim

Midi Designer Pro 2 and TouchOSC can both run in popover mode in AUM. Popover mode works pretty much like you describe you need. It stays in position regardless of Scrolling in AUM. You can move the popover to one side or the other. You can’t resize it though. MDP2 can use Streambyter built-in for some scripting duties. TouchOSC has full blown Lua scripting.

wim

On further thought, you want something that sticks with a particular channel, moving when you scroll AUM. What I posted isn’t what your after. There isn’t anything that would do that.

Gavinski

@wim said:
On further thought, you want something that sticks with a particular channel, moving when you scroll AUM. What I posted isn’t what your after. There isn’t anything that would do that.

Yeah, sounds like OP might want to have several of those running. If 1 is enough, your method would maybe be sufficient. Of course, worth mentioning Stage Manager as an alternative to slideover, they both have pros and cons

Vmusic

@wim @Gavinski
Thanks for the replies!!!
Yes, I wanted something where the window was 'open' with whatever buttons I designed on it showing; but I wanted it "pinned" to the channel it belongs or is put in, like the plugin thumbnails move with the channel (but of course the plugin window open).

I have sent a request to the DEV on FB, asking for this functionality.

I can see valid use cases for both:

• Users who want the plugin window open as a 'popover' and no matter where I scroll or move around in AUM, the window stays exactly where I opened it
• Users who want the plugin window to open and 'sit in the channel' and move with the channel, leaving easy access to everything else by scrolling

I did buy the 4 Pockets Surface Builder, as I suppose Bram Bros won't take my app modification request too seriously.

One day...... one day...... my iPad is going to be a fully functional guitar/violin/banjo - pedalboard. Imma gettin' her close.

espiegel123

I think it pretty unlikely that any host will implement your pinned AU interface in anything like a short enough term to be worth waiting for regardless of the requests merit. So, you are probably best-off thinking about which available solution you can live with.

Vmusic

I hear you - thanks for you email, but don't call us, we'll call you.......

wim

@Vmusic said:

• Users who want the plugin window to open and 'sit in the channel' and move with the channel, leaving easy access to everything else by scrolling

This would have to be implemented in the host. There's no way a plugin can move its window around in a host.

I did buy the 4 Pockets Surface Builder, as I suppose Bram Bros won't take my app modification request too seriously.

Surface builder can have a vertically sized canvas like you want. It can't move with the channel and it can't do scripting. You can assign several midi actions to each control though. As for Bram Bos, he develops plugins, so all he could do is introduce vertical layouts ... they still wouldn't move with the channel.

Surface builder could be open in a window and you could use a midi message from one of its controls to scroll AUM to a bookmarked channel, so in theory you could make whatever AUM channel a button affects also scroll into view. That's flipping your idea on its head, but might accomplish about the same thing.

One day...... one day...... my iPad is going to be a fully functional guitar/violin/banjo - pedalboard. Imma gettin' her close.

You're going to need to adapt some of your ideas to what's possible. It's great that you're not shy about asking, but it'll be a long time if ever a host comes along that works the way you describe.

wim

I don't know if you're up for a total paradigm shift, but I can't help but think Loopy Pro is more suited to what you're trying to accomplish as I understand it from this and your other recent thread.

I mean, for instance, I have buttons in some of my Loopy Pro templates that not only switch FX processing to other busses, but also bring up and dismiss the plugin interfaces. Usually a short press toggles the plugin and a long press toggles it's window but that's just my preference, not a limitation.

It would be a huge direction change though. It could be best just to evolve what you're already familiar with in AUM.

Vmusic

@wim said:
I don't know if you're up for a total paradigm shift, but I can't help but think Loopy Pro is more suited to what you're trying to accomplish as I understand it from this and your other recent thread.

I mean, for instance, I have buttons in some of my Loopy Pro templates that not only switch FX processing to other busses, but also bring up and dismiss the plugin interfaces. Usually a short press toggles the plugin and a long press toggles it's window but that's just my preference, not a limitation.

It would be a huge direction change though. It could be best just to evolve what you're already familiar with in AUM.

Thanks for the suggestion. I have Loopy, it's a subscription correct? QUESTION: Can Loopy enable and bypass several plugins with one or two MIDI messages?

wim

@Vmusic said:
Thanks for the suggestion. I have Loopy, it's a subscription correct? QUESTION: Can Loopy enable and bypass several plugins with one or two MIDI messages?

No, Loopy Pro isn't a subscription. You buy it and get to keep it forever. You get maintenance updates forever at no additional cost.

Feature additions are included for 12 months from purchase. After that you can elect whether to purchase another 12 months of feature additions or not. You can wait until you feel the feature upgrades justify the price before purchasing, at which time you get all missed feature upgrades plus the next 12 months of upgrades.

Yes, Loopy can do as many things as you want from a single midi trigger. You can do things like trigger an action and then wait some time before the next action, or ramp parameter changes. Actions can be quantized as well, so for instance, you could hit a switch any time within a number of beats or measures of when you want it to trigger.

You can even do things like change "profiles" so that your controller does different things at different times. For instance, you could have one profile for controlling the plugins of one FX bus, then change profiles to control other things when you change to another FX bus.

Just about anything can be done. The only danger is getting so distracted with customizing setup that you stop making music. 😉

audiblevideo

@wim

Just about anything can be done. The only danger is getting so distracted with customizing setup that you stop making music. 😉

Cheaper than trying to do it - customizing a setup - in software than hardware.