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Mirack GAS/AAS
Hello, after the recent threads about mirack and especially the upcoming update with the front plate designer, I'm getting serious temptations for mirack. The thing that turned me off was just the sheer amount of cables I saw in YouTube videos. I can probably deal with cables building a synth, but actually playing it is another matter. Having a slimmed down front plate is very tempting.
I have a couple of questions tho'
1: what is the parity with vcv rack? Can I follow tutorials to build synths with the modules in mirack?
2: what's the sound quality like, particularly for virtual analogue emulation?
3: more a question for eurorack in general and the philosophy behind this type of modular style. I remember hainbach saying at the beginning he wanted to create an instrument using eurorack and made it sound like it was a bit unusual... That people tend to use it to create specific patches, Is it possible and by possible I mean easy to approach eurorack and by extension mirack as a canvas for making synths as opposed to creating ad-hoc patches. Is there a big temptation to make everything from new, and by doing so is there a chance to have choice paralysis!? I'm sure this is much more down to the individual but I'd like to know people's thoughts!
Thanks in advance!!
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Yea I’ll try to answer all these
First you can actually hide and lock all cables in miRack with a button (immediately accessible) to avoid moving things by mistake
You can also lock modules from moving
1 miRack has a lot of the VCV modules and most of the common ones, and in case you can’t find the module in the tutorial there’s absolutely one to substitute for it, remember these are module packs by different makers so there’s a lot of overlap, and the ideas can be applied by different devices. In fact learning the concepts in the tutorials and applying them to other modules helps a lot
2 Quality is fantastic! Some modules are more utilitarian but others have the best quality I’ve seen!
3 yes after a while you’ll find yourself building from the ground up a lot, because the actual process is fun and breeds creativity! But as you learn more you’ll find yourself reaching for a specific module because there’s a very specific thing you want to add or modify in your signal chain, you’ll have favorite modules which you’ll reach out for (it’s why there’s a favorite tab in the module browser) I can tell you I can now build a mono synth with incredible modulation and mixing options in 2 minutes. But after that you might find semi-modular synths like Butter or so a bit frustrating. That’s not to fault miRack, but modular teaches you to think of note pitch, gates, and CV (modulation) as entirely separate entities to explore and use.
So usually my sessions begin with building something, pushing it more till I get somewhere nice then I play with it. I don’t suffer from choice paralysis because you learn with time to think of your next step before opening the module browser, so it’s not much scanning modules to chose as opposed to searching for a function you want.
My advice is go for it! > @sevenape said:
Brilliant that's the news I wanted to hear... So in theory I could make something like this, which is unobtainable and was also expensive when it was available....
I'm thinking in the future I'll also be able to make a fancy frontplate that will hide all the workings too?
The thing that's tempting for me as opposed to something like audulus and to a lesser extent drambo is the fact that there are so many premade modules and you don't have to deal with things on a molecular level, and in fact, can't... There are great modules people have made for those apps, but I feel I'm wasting the power of those apps using the premade modules. Mirack seems to be one step away from working at individual component level?
Yep you can certainly design something like this 👍 I made my own “Lines” last week with more sequencers and routing options and fell into a rabbit hole of feedback sound design 😄 I also have my extended “Noir” and an obscene amount of generative sequencer patches
It’s a library of various things, say you want to build a synth, you have tens of oscillators to choose from, some are very basic (sine wave generator basic) and some are complex west coast oscillators. Now you want a filter for it so you drag one of the tens of filters around, envelopes LFOs sequencers etc. Now going forwards you can stop there or maybe you want the envelope to behave differently, you may want the same LFO to “switch between controlling the filter to controlling something else” So you’ll look for a switch maybe or different routing modules. Maybe you want to modify the LFO rhythmically so you’ll add a sequencer to control your LFO. Of course sometimes the patches are huge and it can become difficult remembering what knobs and sliders do 😄 I override this with label modules and control modules which I arrange away from everything else. The new controller module can’t come soon enough for me!
So the approach differs according to the plan. Building a patch to recreate an idea or a synth becomes a very ordered process. Other times I just want to have fun with it so I experiment with deliberately breaking conventions. Let’s have envelopes running at different clocks to our pitch sequencers and see what happens or so. New patterns emerge and new ideas are formed which I find very inspirational.
Awesome, this sounds like just what I need to get me out of the funk I'm in with music making. I know it's an excuse and I probably have more than Ill ever need already, but....
Thank you, you have convinced me
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Interesting discussion. I'm also thinking about learning "real" modular like Mirack and - as a "side effect" - use this knowledge to understand more Model 15 since they are quite similar. Does this makes sense?
It does, though I think you’ll still need to work with the Model 15 manual. I’ve been using MiRack for two or three years, but Model 15 still bamboozles me - mainly because I haven’t put in the hours with the manual.
It’s also the GUI, in miRack it’s fairly easy to keep track of (most) things, the modules in Model 15 look very similar and cannot be reordered. I did the same thing and had to read the manual over before getting to grips with it
See you on the other side 😉
MiRack has such a variety of modules that you can build stuff from the ground up from the basics, or use more complex modules, some of which can be complete voices (Interzone and Plaits spring to mind in the latter category). What it doesn’t currently have is a way of wrapping a patch up into a pre-rolled instrument that can be treated as a module itself - which I gather is something Drambo does well. However the dev has this in his to-do list, I think. I suspect the new front plate thingy is a step in this direction.
The nice thing is that you can make patches as simple or as complex as you want (CPU permitting). And make templates - I have a set of fixed racks set up as templates that will give me a starting point if I’m short of inspiration.
In terms of learning, Dean from Electronisounds has a great beginners series, and Omri Cohen’s videos are fantastic, particularly the older ones where VCV was closer to MiRack in terms of modules. He has whole series on the Mutable and Geodesics modules, which are great, and you can pick up lots of ideas and techniques even if he’s using modules which aren’t available in MiRack.
I love the Geodesics modules! Now THAT was a manual I read over and over 😄
Another vote for Omri Cohen’s videos 👍👍
I may join you on this road lol I’ve had MiRack for a while but have never truly properly learned it so I’ve mostly used either synths or sequence patches from patch storage or use it to make my own effects.
Definitely want to fully learn it because it’s insanely powerful. Even just for effects it’s fantastic. And it’s the only way I have access to the MS20 filter now 😎
Thanks @bygjohn and @hghon, then Mirack and Model 15 manual it is
Thank you I think these video tutorials are a great idea! And thanks for your tips too!!
Bought it! Ready to scramble down the rabbit hole... hope I can get out the other side.
I’ve been struggling with feedback patches in mirack a bit lately, I think I peak them out and the engine just shuts down, how have you dealt with that?
I've had this happen, using the mschack mixer. After I've set the levels down on all the relevant spots and controlled the leveld with macros that don't go all the way (in Drambo), it hardly happens anymore.
I’ve had this happen to me and solved it by adding a limiter after every stage 👍👍
🤣🤣🤣
Nice one 🙏