Hoping we can get a HiHat Synth in the future

spanaboy505

I really want a HiHat Synth to be released. There are no Hihat synths whatsoever. Something that’s meant for HiHats and for creating them. There are apps meant for Bells, Pads, Strings, Bass, Keys, Claps. I’m hope some developers can make a hihat instrument app, that’s meant for actual Hihats.

jwmmakerofmusic

Have you fancied a go with FAC Drumkit? It does all the drum synthesis types and is super powerful.

michael_m

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
Have you fancied a go with FAC Drumkit? It does all the drum synthesis types and is super powerful.

Definitely! You can get a good variety of sounds from all the tweaking options.

ErrkaPetti

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
Have you fancied a go with FAC Drumkit? It does all the drum synthesis types and is super powerful.

Or, go full Logic Pro and use the great plugin Drum Synth - great stuff!

BroCoast

Spectrum has a hi-hat mode.

jwmmakerofmusic

@ErrkaPetti said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
Have you fancied a go with FAC Drumkit? It does all the drum synthesis types and is super powerful.

Or, go full Logic Pro and use the great plugin Drum Synth - great stuff!

This can work too if @spanaboy505 has a compatible iPad. If he uses an iPhone only or has an old iPad, he won't be able to try Logic Pro.

auxmux

Or roll your own using Drambo.

jwmmakerofmusic

@auxmux said:
Or roll your own using Drambo.

All depends on @spanaboy505 's skill level/knowledge of Drambo. Technically any semi-modular synth can be used to produce hihats. Mix white noise with a high-pitched triangle wave, hipass that until it feels right (higher than one may initially think). Then add any effects to taste.

I think Spana is looking for an easier solution than rolling his own. Spana, what solution are you looking for?

HotStrange

Was gonna say look into Drambo, DrumKit, MiRack or Logic if you have it but everyone beat me to it lol

So I’ll just offer Drum Computer as another option.

brambos

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@auxmux said:
Or roll your own using Drambo.

All depends on @spanaboy505 's skill level/knowledge of Drambo. Technically any semi-modular synth can be used to produce hihats. Mix white noise with a high-pitched triangle wave, hipass that until it feels right (higher than one may initially think). Then add any effects to taste.

Also worth a try: the 808 hihats were made by multiplying a number of square waves at certain frequency ratios (which account for the metallic ringing). Very clever, these Roland guys!

Samu

I’ve found this article to be very helful.
http://joesul.li/van/synthesizing-hi-hats/

HotStrange

@brambos said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@auxmux said:
Or roll your own using Drambo.

All depends on @spanaboy505 's skill level/knowledge of Drambo. Technically any semi-modular synth can be used to produce hihats. Mix white noise with a high-pitched triangle wave, hipass that until it feels right (higher than one may initially think). Then add any effects to taste.

Also worth a try: the 808 hihats were made by multiplying a number of square waves at certain frequency ratios (which account for the metallic ringing). Very clever, these Roland guys!

Super clever! With that thinking maybe they should like make a synth or drum machine or something 😉

klownshed

Ruismaker and Ruismaker FM make my favourite synth hi hat sounds.

BlipBox or Fractalbits are also great for all sorts of weird sounds you can use for hi hats.

Logic’s drum synth is pretty cool too.

HotStrange

@klownshed said:
Ruismaker and Ruismaker FM make my favourite synth hi hat sounds.

BlipBox or Fractalbits are also great for all sorts of weird sounds you can use for hi hats.

Logic’s drum synth is pretty cool too.

I’m not sure what it is but I always find myself gravitating towards Ruismaker FM. Such a great/cool little app for weird percussive sounds.

cokomairena

A physical modeling hihat synth would rock, with mic positioning, and pedal support

klownshed

@HotStrange said:

@klownshed said:
Ruismaker and Ruismaker FM make my favourite synth hi hat sounds.

BlipBox or Fractalbits are also great for all sorts of weird sounds you can use for hi hats.

Logic’s drum synth is pretty cool too.

I’m not sure what it is but I always find myself gravitating towards Ruismaker FM. Such a great/cool little app for weird percussive sounds.

I love Ruismaker FM.

I wish I could get all the RuisMakers on Mac. In the meantime I have a big folder of loads of autosampled iOS drum machines and have made a map in Atlas 2 so it's easy to use a load of iOS drum sounds on my Mac. Obviously having the actual synths is better, but Atlas is soooo good for making drum kits (fake drums mainly). Love it. Being able to make a kit from multiple sources so quickly and in context has made actually made my huge library of drum machine sounds that I've collected over the decades actually useful rather than just being somewhere samples go to be forgotten.

ambrosiajam

I like to Just use white noise from Moog Model 15 and filter it with volcano or pro G or something. By far the best sounding hats imho. You can finesse the transients more dynamically, and all that good stuff. Especially with that crazy ladder filter/envelope in model 15. Hot damn!

Most people don’t realize that most of their favorite hi hat sounds from drum machines are actually just filtered white noise. It’s kind of crazy but it works!

I also fully realize that most people don’t always want to spend this much time fussing over a hat sound, and it uses way more cpu too lol

HotStrange

@klownshed said:

@HotStrange said:

@klownshed said:
Ruismaker and Ruismaker FM make my favourite synth hi hat sounds.

BlipBox or Fractalbits are also great for all sorts of weird sounds you can use for hi hats.

Logic’s drum synth is pretty cool too.

I’m not sure what it is but I always find myself gravitating towards Ruismaker FM. Such a great/cool little app for weird percussive sounds.

I love Ruismaker FM.

I wish I could get all the RuisMakers on Mac. In the meantime I have a big folder of loads of autosampled iOS drum machines and have made a map in Atlas 2 so it's easy to use a load of iOS drum sounds on my Mac. Obviously having the actual synths is better, but Atlas is soooo good for making drum kits (fake drums mainly). Love it. Being able to make a kit from multiple sources so quickly and in context has made actually made my huge library of drum machine sounds that I've collected over the decades actually useful rather than just being somewhere samples go to be forgotten.

I’m iOS and occasionally hardware only so luckily I don’t have to worry about that 😂 but the downside is missing out on some of the cool desktop plugins.

I don’t see as much love for the Ruismaker series of drums as I did when they came out but FM, Noir, and the original are still amongst my most used drum machines and have been for a looooong time now.

spanaboy505

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
Have you fancied a go with FAC Drumkit? It does all the drum synthesis types and is super powerful.

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@ErrkaPetti said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
Have you fancied a go with FAC Drumkit? It does all the drum synthesis types and is super powerful.

Or, go full Logic Pro and use the great plugin Drum Synth - great stuff!

This can work too if @spanaboy505 has a compatible iPad. If he uses an iPhone only or has an old iPad, he won't be able to try Logic Pro.

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@auxmux said:
Or roll your own using Drambo.

All depends on @spanaboy505 's skill level/knowledge of Drambo. Technically any semi-modular synth can be used to produce hihats. Mix white noise with a high-pitched triangle wave, hipass that until it feels right (higher than one may initially think). Then add any effects to taste.

I think Spana is looking for an easier solution than rolling his own. Spana, what solution are you looking for?

Yes @jwmmakerofmusic I was looking for something that’s like a hihat synth or a hihat instrument app. Of course one hasn’t been exactly made for that yet. I was thinking of something like what GarageBand has, how they have a big set of hihat presets. Those GarageBand Hihat libraries are the perfect HiHats to use for example and are made for hihat tweaking. Drambo, Logic, FAC others are good and I guess you can with anything. I would like something already waiting in a keyboard for the pianoroll to roll those hats and I could shape or tweak too if possible. I never tried making HiHats in Drambo (and it’s really confusing for me at the moment) but I can figure it out. A lot of synths aren’t good for percussion type HiHats, at least not the actual HiHat sound we would expect. I suppose we can just make some in FAC too and just sample it across the keyboard, but I’d like the idea of having a hihat synth/rompler so we wouldn’t have to sample it.

bygjohn

@HotStrange said:

I don’t see as much love for the Ruismaker series of drums as I did when they came out but FM, Noir, and the original are still amongst my most used drum machines and have been for a looooong time now.

Noir is my go-to for non-real percussion sounds, love it almost as much as my DFAM, plus it doesn’t have some of the DFAM’s down sides. But then it doesn’t have some of the DFAM’s advantages, so swings and roundabouts.

The thought occurred to me while reading this thread that it might be worth seeing what can be done by loading hi-hat samples into the AudioThing Hand Clapper app. Would give you some control and shaping options, though maybe not enough.

HotStrange

@bygjohn said:

@HotStrange said:

I don’t see as much love for the Ruismaker series of drums as I did when they came out but FM, Noir, and the original are still amongst my most used drum machines and have been for a looooong time now.

Noir is my go-to for non-real percussion sounds, love it almost as much as my DFAM, plus it doesn’t have some of the DFAM’s down sides. But then it doesn’t have some of the DFAM’s advantages, so swings and roundabouts.

The thought occurred to me while reading this thread that it might be worth seeing what can be done by loading hi-hat samples into the AudioThing Hand Clapper app. Would give you some control and shaping options, though maybe not enough.

The handclapper app was my first thought as well. Might give that a try later on tonight. It’s actually a really fun little app and can do some cool things once you accept its limitations.

I love the idea of the DFAM/M32 but I don’t have space for them. And the lack of midi is kind of a bummer though I supposed with the SQ-1 it wouldn’t matter as much.

bygjohn

@HotStrange said:

@bygjohn said:

@HotStrange said:

I don’t see as much love for the Ruismaker series of drums as I did when they came out but FM, Noir, and the original are still amongst my most used drum machines and have been for a looooong time now.

Noir is my go-to for non-real percussion sounds, love it almost as much as my DFAM, plus it doesn’t have some of the DFAM’s down sides. But then it doesn’t have some of the DFAM’s advantages, so swings and roundabouts.

The thought occurred to me while reading this thread that it might be worth seeing what can be done by loading hi-hat samples into the AudioThing Hand Clapper app. Would give you some control and shaping options, though maybe not enough.

The handclapper app was my first thought as well. Might give that a try later on tonight. It’s actually a really fun little app and can do some cool things once you accept its limitations.

I love the idea of the DFAM/M32 but I don’t have space for them. And the lack of midi is kind of a bummer though I supposed with the SQ-1 it wouldn’t matter as much.

The M32 has MIDI, so you can clock the DFAM from it. Likewise the SubH - or an SQ-1, so lack of MIDI on the DFAM isn’t disastrous. Being largely tied to 8 steps is occasionally annoying, but then being able to patch it up with cables to other kit is a huge plus. The thing sounds blooming amazing, though.

HotStrange

@bygjohn said:

@HotStrange said:

@bygjohn said:

@HotStrange said:

I don’t see as much love for the Ruismaker series of drums as I did when they came out but FM, Noir, and the original are still amongst my most used drum machines and have been for a looooong time now.

Noir is my go-to for non-real percussion sounds, love it almost as much as my DFAM, plus it doesn’t have some of the DFAM’s down sides. But then it doesn’t have some of the DFAM’s advantages, so swings and roundabouts.

The thought occurred to me while reading this thread that it might be worth seeing what can be done by loading hi-hat samples into the AudioThing Hand Clapper app. Would give you some control and shaping options, though maybe not enough.

The handclapper app was my first thought as well. Might give that a try later on tonight. It’s actually a really fun little app and can do some cool things once you accept its limitations.

I love the idea of the DFAM/M32 but I don’t have space for them. And the lack of midi is kind of a bummer though I supposed with the SQ-1 it wouldn’t matter as much.

The M32 has MIDI, so you can clock the DFAM from it. Likewise the SubH - or an SQ-1, so lack of MIDI on the DFAM isn’t disastrous. Being largely tied to 8 steps is occasionally annoying, but then being able to patch it up with cables to other kit is a huge plus. The thing sounds blooming amazing, though.

Sound wise it’s certainly fantastic. The only 2 Moog’s I’ve ever owned is the Grandmother and Wersktatt. I’m thinking of buying the Mavis soon to have a Moog again since I don’t have space for a big boy lol.

pedro

@Samu said:
I’ve found this article to be very helful.
http://joesul.li/van/synthesizing-hi-hats/

Cool article, but basically in terms of info it is just gordon reid’s sos articles, and timeless as they are, there are better ways now that weren’t available 20 years ago. The basic principles remain the same, though

bygjohn

@HotStrange said:

@bygjohn said:

@HotStrange said:

@bygjohn said:

@HotStrange said:

I don’t see as much love for the Ruismaker series of drums as I did when they came out but FM, Noir, and the original are still amongst my most used drum machines and have been for a looooong time now.

Noir is my go-to for non-real percussion sounds, love it almost as much as my DFAM, plus it doesn’t have some of the DFAM’s down sides. But then it doesn’t have some of the DFAM’s advantages, so swings and roundabouts.

The thought occurred to me while reading this thread that it might be worth seeing what can be done by loading hi-hat samples into the AudioThing Hand Clapper app. Would give you some control and shaping options, though maybe not enough.

The handclapper app was my first thought as well. Might give that a try later on tonight. It’s actually a really fun little app and can do some cool things once you accept its limitations.

I love the idea of the DFAM/M32 but I don’t have space for them. And the lack of midi is kind of a bummer though I supposed with the SQ-1 it wouldn’t matter as much.

The M32 has MIDI, so you can clock the DFAM from it. Likewise the SubH - or an SQ-1, so lack of MIDI on the DFAM isn’t disastrous. Being largely tied to 8 steps is occasionally annoying, but then being able to patch it up with cables to other kit is a huge plus. The thing sounds blooming amazing, though.

Sound wise it’s certainly fantastic. The only 2 Moog’s I’ve ever owned is the Grandmother and Wersktatt. I’m thinking of buying the Mavis soon to have a Moog again since I don’t have space for a big boy lol.

The Mavis is great. Sounds wonderful, and remarkably versatile. It can get pretty wild.

McD

The analog Hi-hat is an amazing piece of kit in the hands and left foot of a master. I saw something similar to this in 1968 at Disneyland from about 10 feet away. I was sitting on the dance floor and could see all the details of what he was doing on the underside of the hi-hat.

jwmmakerofmusic

@spanaboy505 said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
Have you fancied a go with FAC Drumkit? It does all the drum synthesis types and is super powerful.

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@ErrkaPetti said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
Have you fancied a go with FAC Drumkit? It does all the drum synthesis types and is super powerful.

Or, go full Logic Pro and use the great plugin Drum Synth - great stuff!

This can work too if @spanaboy505 has a compatible iPad. If he uses an iPhone only or has an old iPad, he won't be able to try Logic Pro.

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@auxmux said:
Or roll your own using Drambo.

All depends on @spanaboy505 's skill level/knowledge of Drambo. Technically any semi-modular synth can be used to produce hihats. Mix white noise with a high-pitched triangle wave, hipass that until it feels right (higher than one may initially think). Then add any effects to taste.

I think Spana is looking for an easier solution than rolling his own. Spana, what solution are you looking for?

Yes @jwmmakerofmusic I was looking for something that’s like a hihat synth or a hihat instrument app. Of course one hasn’t been exactly made for that yet. I was thinking of something like what GarageBand has, how they have a big set of hihat presets. Those GarageBand Hihat libraries are the perfect HiHats to use for example and are made for hihat tweaking. Drambo, Logic, FAC others are good and I guess you can with anything. I would like something already waiting in a keyboard for the pianoroll to roll those hats and I could shape or tweak too if possible. I never tried making HiHats in Drambo (and it’s really confusing for me at the moment) but I can figure it out. A lot of synths aren’t good for percussion type HiHats, at least not the actual HiHat sound we would expect. I suppose we can just make some in FAC too and just sample it across the keyboard, but I’d like the idea of having a hihat synth/rompler so we wouldn’t have to sample it.

What genre(s) are you producing in? And do you have Koala Sampler? Also, if you're on iPad, have you tried Splat-to-Clat?

HotStrange

@bygjohn said:

@HotStrange said:

@bygjohn said:

@HotStrange said:

@bygjohn said:

@HotStrange said:

I don’t see as much love for the Ruismaker series of drums as I did when they came out but FM, Noir, and the original are still amongst my most used drum machines and have been for a looooong time now.

Noir is my go-to for non-real percussion sounds, love it almost as much as my DFAM, plus it doesn’t have some of the DFAM’s down sides. But then it doesn’t have some of the DFAM’s advantages, so swings and roundabouts.

The thought occurred to me while reading this thread that it might be worth seeing what can be done by loading hi-hat samples into the AudioThing Hand Clapper app. Would give you some control and shaping options, though maybe not enough.

The handclapper app was my first thought as well. Might give that a try later on tonight. It’s actually a really fun little app and can do some cool things once you accept its limitations.

I love the idea of the DFAM/M32 but I don’t have space for them. And the lack of midi is kind of a bummer though I supposed with the SQ-1 it wouldn’t matter as much.

The M32 has MIDI, so you can clock the DFAM from it. Likewise the SubH - or an SQ-1, so lack of MIDI on the DFAM isn’t disastrous. Being largely tied to 8 steps is occasionally annoying, but then being able to patch it up with cables to other kit is a huge plus. The thing sounds blooming amazing, though.

Sound wise it’s certainly fantastic. The only 2 Moog’s I’ve ever owned is the Grandmother and Wersktatt. I’m thinking of buying the Mavis soon to have a Moog again since I don’t have space for a big boy lol.

The Mavis is great. Sounds wonderful, and remarkably versatile. It can get pretty wild.

Thanks! The demos seem really great. I wanna make a small little modular setup with the little Bastl synths, Volca Modular, and the Mavis. Seems like it would pair well sound wise to all of those.

bygjohn

@HotStrange said:

@bygjohn said:

@HotStrange said:

@bygjohn said:

@HotStrange said:

@bygjohn said:

@HotStrange said:

I don’t see as much love for the Ruismaker series of drums as I did when they came out but FM, Noir, and the original are still amongst my most used drum machines and have been for a looooong time now.

Noir is my go-to for non-real percussion sounds, love it almost as much as my DFAM, plus it doesn’t have some of the DFAM’s down sides. But then it doesn’t have some of the DFAM’s advantages, so swings and roundabouts.

The thought occurred to me while reading this thread that it might be worth seeing what can be done by loading hi-hat samples into the AudioThing Hand Clapper app. Would give you some control and shaping options, though maybe not enough.

The handclapper app was my first thought as well. Might give that a try later on tonight. It’s actually a really fun little app and can do some cool things once you accept its limitations.

I love the idea of the DFAM/M32 but I don’t have space for them. And the lack of midi is kind of a bummer though I supposed with the SQ-1 it wouldn’t matter as much.

The M32 has MIDI, so you can clock the DFAM from it. Likewise the SubH - or an SQ-1, so lack of MIDI on the DFAM isn’t disastrous. Being largely tied to 8 steps is occasionally annoying, but then being able to patch it up with cables to other kit is a huge plus. The thing sounds blooming amazing, though.

Sound wise it’s certainly fantastic. The only 2 Moog’s I’ve ever owned is the Grandmother and Wersktatt. I’m thinking of buying the Mavis soon to have a Moog again since I don’t have space for a big boy lol.

The Mavis is great. Sounds wonderful, and remarkably versatile. It can get pretty wild.

Thanks! The demos seem really great. I wanna make a small little modular setup with the little Bastl synths, Volca Modular, and the Mavis. Seems like it would pair well sound wise to all of those.

Did you say you have an SQ-1? It really opens up the Mavis, both for sequencing (natch) and for MIDI to CV so you can use generative stuff on the iPad with it.

Fear2Stop

I've made hi-hats with both Ruismaker FM and LaPlace...not familar with FAC Drumkit but going to look into it

spanaboy505

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

What genre(s) are you producing in? And do you have Koala Sampler? Also, if you're on iPad, have you tried Splat-to-Clat?

I prefer the trap genre. Really I’m down to create for any genre. And I have the latest 2023 iPad Pro. I’ve been wanting Splat-to-Clat for a long time that it’s ridiculous at this point I haven’t bought it yet. I do have Koala too but never use it, I use Dawnbeat more than Koala. With Koala, Dawnbeat, BeatHawk, & even AASample Player I guess you can just sample a hihat and hope it comes out good. Usually in samplers like GarageBand, Cubasis, when the sample is small like hihat, it comes out like crap and the sample goes fast in the upper octaves. Have you ever seen FLStudio on how producers use HiHats to roll and slide on the pianoroll grid, wow I was wondering if they have hihat presets or if they’re one-shot samples that producers use.