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«A Troll Calling A Kettle Black», orchestral Tale for the ABF Halloween Collective Album
Created exclusively with Staffpad for the ABF Halloween Album initiated by @sevenape
The whole album is available on bandcamp and is full of amazing music:
I never thought I would be able to create this kind of things, so a very special thanks to @McD for showing the incredible potential of Staffpad. It got even better with the latest update and is becoming more and more friendly to non academically trained creators. Highly recommended !
Happy Halloween everyone !
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This could fit right into the nightmare before Christmas. Beautiful stuff
Right! It’s really Danny elfman esque!!
Thank the both of you. I would lie if I said that Elfman was not one the inspiration behind this piece. But there are a few other composers quoted here and there 😉
Totally - and it’s just stupendously brilliant!! Christmas and Halloween vibes all in the same box. So hugely impressed by this piece.
Your track was a great ending to the project! Also a good selling point for StaffPad lol I don’t have the money or space for it currently but definitely want it eventually.
Just… very…very… impressed!
Magnificent! It’s ready to be part of the Tim Burton movie. 🤩 Bravo!
Staffpad is something on IOS that desktop doesn’t have. To make something like this on desktop you have to automate all the details with CC’s in a DAW. Actually Staffpad is a functional DAW with a very strange user interface based on paper and pencil. But they added MIDI input and audio import. What’s sorely needed is a decent mixer view… but exporting stems and mixing in a real DAW is an option. They did add an auto mastering feature that’s on a par with other IOS mastering ‘one pass’ options.
Keep making cool shit… you’re killing it in so many genres and workflows.
Glad you liked it Gavin, and thank you for inspiring the title 😜
The Tutti at the end does provide a nice closing effect indeed 😉
You should get it on the next sale. The latest update brought nice options for importing and routing MIDI inside the app. You can also import videos inside the app to create soundtracks. And it also brought new libraries from Musescore which sounds very good and are completely free. Before that, people had to buy expensive third party librairies (which are still awesome btw) to get beautiful orchestral mock ups, but the new free Musescore sounds are a lot better than the initial stock librairies and can get you very far without extra cash !
What an amazing track. Tim Burton will get in touch with you soon…or not but he will be missing something
I've listened to this a few times now - excellent! You'll soon be working in the movies!
Other than Elfman, I'm curious who were the other composers quoted?
(I can hear some Debussy, Stravinsky/Holst and John Williams.)
IMHO, your body of work is a lot more impressive than mine. But thank you for the kind words.
I ran across some advice for artists from the choreographer Martha Graham that stuck with me:
I do find myself pleased with so that “No artist is pleased” part requires me to push back a little. But I can see flaws… I’ve just learned that they prove the work is not completely automated. Those flaws stamp the work and encourage the motivation to improve.
Fantastic composition , @JanKun ! One of my favourites!
Oh wow being able to import video is absolutely a huge selling point. I can’t write music to save my life but importing midi and have it play those excellent instruments along a video may be worth it alone for me. Only at sale price though 😂
I’m lacking in storage at the moment but planning on upgrading iPads on November so hopefully the sale won’t be until then. If so I guess I can always buy and offload until my new iPad gets here. Thanks for the info
Just for full disclosure: when you import MIDI from a file it opens a new project for each import so combining MIDI requires “cut and paste” of the notated bars between projects. I wish MIDI import was possible at the single staff level but it’s a throw back to the General MIDI era where one file contained all the tracks for a DAW production.
Audio Import is done at the staff level. So you can load in several drum/percussion tracks, etc.
It’s possible there will be a sale on or around black friday just to capture a new base of users. This is the pricing history:
Ah so if you upload midi files with multiple tracks it creates a separate project for each?
Thanks. I’ll keep an eye out on Black Friday. Not 100% sure I’ll grab it yet but I’m definitely warming up to it. It does way more than I thought initially.
No. If there are multiple tracks you’ll get a staff for each track in the new project. With the recent update it started
assigning instruments from the Muse libraries so it’s instantly playable. Before it just made notations and you needed to
cut and paste or manually assign an instrument to that track.
We have got a couple people to make the jump… but none that have posted any work. So, it must be pretty daunting. Like
learning a whole new DAW workflow and you can imagine how that goes. Learning the in’s and out’s of a DAW is a huge commitment. But I will say the results if you like classic film scores is worth the effort.
My childhood dream was to be a film composer so you’re speaking right to the heart here lol. I love more experimental scores (There Will Be Blood, Eraserhead, etc) but I also love a good classical score and being able to make some dark orchestral stuff and sync them to my weird public domain footage sounds like a blast.
I’m gonna do more research and demo watching because even on sale that’s a nice chuck of change. Any tips for a good demo or article to study up on?
Jump around in this 3 hour demo of building a film theme by David William Hearn, the Staffpad designer. He’s a composer and spec’ed the app for his needs. The developer of the code must be pretty good. It does a lot of magical things:
All the Staffpad demos showing off new features as they emerged are useful. Adaptive audio is pretty magical to sync a score
with an existing audio track amd now with a video track.
https://youtube.com/@StaffPadOfficial?si=kxE21ABmgVyK-8G1
Thanks! I’ll check those out over the next few days. I’m glad there’s lots of demos. I wish every app had that many demos and tutorials lol
The first video shared by @McD is the one that convinced me. Just like you @HotStrange I was fascinated with the idea of composing for a full orchestra (I really like Jonny Greenwood's work as composer too! If you like There Will Be Blood listen to The Phantom Thread, is is amazing) but never found a way with traditional samplers to get decent sounding instruments and a workflow that could be satisfactory. After one year of working regularly with Staffpad (both on its own or to simply incorporate few orchestral elements in my other work), i can say that these were some of the best 40 bucks I ever spent on music softwares (though I must admit FabFilter bundle, and Pianoteq were also incredible investments too). Knowing what is achievable with SP, I would be ready to pay full price for it now. If you really been dreaming of doing this, don't think twice, that's the best way to go on an iPad. Other ways are so cumbersome that they kill the inspiration with constant technical issues especially on iOS.
For this piece, all I needed, was my iPad my pencil, one guitar to develop the composition and that's all.
Much appreciated 🙏 I’m gonna start that video tonight but it really seems like I’ve vastly underestimated what StaffPad can do. Seems like a lot has come through updates but that’s a positive in my eyes. For that price I’m glad to see it’s well maintained. I love the FF bundle and Pianoteq as well, though.
I’ll check out The Phantom Thread! I love the PTAs work and collaborations with Greenwood, I just haven’t gotten around to watching that one yet.
Another note, writing in notation might seem intimidating. But come to think about it, what is so different than working on a MIDI roll? I had a very basic understand of the G clef having learnef classical guitar, but I didn't know much about all the other notation. It took me one week to get familiar with new signs and vocab. And after that all I had to do is practice a bit to find the notes on C clef and F clef. Nothing impossible, really.
@McD will probably disagree on that, but now, I personally really enjoy the process of writing with pencil, it gives me the perfect analytical distance while composing.
The Phantom Thread, yes! One of my favourite movies and soundtracks of recent years. I'll tell you what though, although I learned to read music as a teenager learning piano, I now can only read music very slowly. Writing musical notation would seem like something that would take a lot of work and practice that I'm not sure I'd have the patience for. Are there apps or tools on ipad that can convert sung melodies into musical notation?
Would something like A2M work since you can import midi into StaffPad?
Thanks! I haven’t practiced reading or writing music since middle/high school years. Not sure I’d be any good at all now but I suppose having midi import helps with that lol though I would like to learn more theory.
How are your MIDI keyboard skills… you can slow down the tempo (BPM) and record instrument parts one at a time and StaffPad will create the notes you played similar to the post-recording piano roll notes in other DAWs. That’s a good way to build out a composition without needing to wrestle with theory but you should be able to play some chords.
Thank you for listening. Hope you listened to the whole album, because there are only great tracks there!