Bleass Voices ~ vocoder Fx?

Vmusic

Hi,
I bought Bleass Voices to use it as a vocoder. I'm thinking I can provide 2 inputs (somehow) and that's what a vocoder does /is.
I want to have a recorded file of somebody singing as one input.
The 2nd input would be my live /real time violin signal.

FYI - I am using AUM as my host, and my violin signal goes in real time from my audio interface.

?HOW? How can I use my real time violin signal and the singing voice from the file together in Bleass Voices??

Thanks!!

Bruques

It's not a vocoder, it's a harmonizer. They're not at all the same thing.

Also not all current era vocoders do it the classic way you seem to be describing either. Ableton's vocoder is exactly that kind of vocoder, IE where carrier and modulator are the two separate things and the vocoder processeses them, but a number of vocoders today are using an internal synth and not all of the them even offer the functionality of an external "carrier" (such as your violin). (Modulator being voice, the thing that is used as a sort of formant filter, of the carrier)

TLDR, harmonizers are not vocoders.
@VirSyn 's vocoder does do external carriers, probably others also do.
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/matrix-vocoder/id1464318049

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As do 4pockets lyricist, voicebot, DerVoco and magicfusion (last one is not classic vocoder).

Vmusic

Hi @Bruques @pruddo Thank you. I know the difference in a vocoder and a harmonizer. I saw a YouTube video claiming /describing Bleass Voices as both.

Uhhhhh wasted more money. The "tracking" on the harmonizer is terrible.

Thanks for the reply.

Bruques

@Vmusic said:
Hi @Bruques @pruddo Thank you. I know the difference in a vocoder and a harmonizer. I saw a YouTube video claiming /describing Bleass Voices as both.

Uhhhhh wasted more money. The "tracking" on the harmonizer is terrible.

Thanks for the reply.

Hmm that doesn't sound right. It's amongst the best of any harmonizers, whether hardware or software. If you have a use for a harmonizer, then you've got the right one. If the tracking is doing something unwanted you probably need to check the manual and spend time with the settings. "Terrible" is not a word I could use in relation to this.

Fear2Stop

Dumb question, as I'm normally a synth guy vs fx expert, but in this usage what does tracking mean?

I'm going to be buying this app in a few months and was curious

Bruques

@Fear2Stop said:
Dumb question, as I'm normally a synth guy vs fx expert, but in this usage what does tracking mean?

I'm going to be buying this app in a few months and was curious

I'm assuming, they're referring to the detection of original input pitch, which depending on your settings you might also then autotune to a particular scale, and which sounds likely then not using the 8 midi harmonies, but the 4 set voices

Admittedly, unlike OP, I'm not playing a violin in to it, I don't tend to use the pitch correction or the 4 set voices, rather I use the 8 midi playable harmonies.

But then I wonder what is the use case now? Harmonize the violin in to a whole section? Use audio2midi (eg using A2M?) of violin mic input to control the midi harmonizing of the recorded singing? Something else?

Vmusic

OK........... but how..... can any AUV3 plugins take 2 audio (not MIDI two audio) inputs?

How would that be routed in AUM???

Vmusic

@Bruques Tracking means the ability of the plugin (or software) to discern the pitch in order to harmonize or out a pitch 'x' semitones higher or lower. We're talking tracking the audio input - not MIDI. MIDI of course tells you the exact note (note on). String instruments especially (guitars and my violin) can be hard to "track" or tell exactly what note or pitch is being played. The faster you play and go from note to note - the harder it can be to track. Also - polyphany or playing 2 notes together, or very close together, like when a guitar player strums a chord; this is SUPER hard to track.

Vmusic

@Vmusic said:
@Bruques Tracking means the ability of the plugin (or software) to discern the pitch in order to harmonize or out a pitch 'x' semitones higher or lower. We're talking tracking the audio input - not MIDI. MIDI of course tells you the exact note (note on). String instruments especially (guitars and my violin) can be hard to "track" or tell exactly what note or pitch is being played. The faster you play and go from note to note - the harder it can be to track. Also - polyphany or playing 2 notes together, or very close together, like when a guitar player strums a chord; this is SUPER hard to track.

@Fear2Stop - see the explanation above

Vmusic

@Bruques - I do use A2M for some things. Here I want to play my violin along with a prerecorded vocal part through a vocoder; and add in harmony parts

Bruques

@Vmusic said:
OK........... but how..... can any AUV3 plugins take 2 audio (not MIDI two audio) inputs?

How would that be routed in AUM???

Usually the stereo channel is used, with one side is carrier and one side is modulator (left and right), check the manual of one of the vocoders you are interested in.
See this as a typical example

Vmusic

@Bruques Thank you very much!!