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HipHop Drummer-Midi into Ableton Note (via Drambo)
I want to find a way to get HipHop Drummer-Midi into Ableton Note. As in the Midisettings of both apps, I can't pick the other as source or destination I put Drambo in-between receiving the hhd-midi, putting a midiout-module in and sending that midi over to Note.
While recording into Note everything seems fine and all the midinotes trigger sounds. When I want to play it back afterwards only the snare triggers and sometimes not even that?!
Then I tried to record the midi into Drambo first and send it over to Note in a second step - same result as before. But if I use the recorded midi in Drambo, all is fine.
Sending beatscholar-midi hosted in Drambo into Note works fine.
Does anyone have an idea, how to do this?
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Not sure but I experienced some similar weird behavior with notes not triggering upon playback in Note when sending midi from Gr-16 to Note so I’m thinking this is a Note bug
All LumBeats Drummer export MIDI loops. Can you import a midi file into Notes. For real-time load a bunch of loops into something like LK that provides an Ableton like UI for clip launching.
I’ve had some success starting a Hip Hop instance standalone pointing the MIDI out at AUM.
Then I also start an instance of Hip Hop in AUM. Then check AUM’s MIDI route table to see if it’s pointed at AUM Destination or Source. Experiment with using AUM as the source of this MIDI stream in Notes.
Thanks for your replies.
I'm not quite through with it, but I think the problem is just there, when all 3 apps are open, so it looks like I can first record into drambo, then close hhd, open Note and record from drambo. A bit of a workaround, but looks like it might work.
@db909 maybe your problematic midi from gr16 might work, when you close gr16?
@McD As far as I can see, Note doesn't have midi import (yet?). Would be a nice feature. I guess drambo's clip launcher would work nicely live, although right now I mostly want some nice beats in Note, I can make on the go, so I can easily send them to Ableton to play them with jamstix and ModoDrum. And maybe already have one or two synthideas to go with it.
Use a midi monitor and check the midi being sent by hip-hop Drummer. Are all the notes on the same midi channel?
Thanks, I tried mfx monitor as an au in Drambo. All the notemessages appear on channel 1, weirdly in hhd the channel is set to 10. Does Drambo reroute the midi channels? What can I do now?
Midi channel 10 is not a weird channel for drums. It is common because in general midi , channel 10 is drums.
A lot of AU midi recorders don’t record midi channel. Hhd probably lets you change the midi channel it uses. Change it to channel.
No, you misunderstood me/I wasn't clear, I wasn't surprised, that hhd was set to channel 10 by default, but that the data appears on channel 1 in Drambo. Which you wrote many midi recorders do.
I did change the midi channel in hhd to 1, but it did not change anything.
I had a similar problem with Aphelian hosted as an au in Drambo. Some of the notes, I could see in the clip in Note, just wouldn't play. When I changed the octave in Note I could get them to play.
Something seems to be weird with the midi input in Note in combination with some midi generators.
If you send the notes from Drambo to hhd do they play? I don’t have hhd. Most of the LUMBEATS apps don’t let you trigger individual notes external midi. Is hhd different?
No, except for the crash you can't trigger individual notes with external Midi. But I can send notes from Drambo to hhd to trigger livepads for example. It works, but that is not what I'm trying to do.
I can send midi from HDD to Drambo. All seems to be fine there. If I send it to Hammerhead, it sounds fine.
If I add a midioutput in Drambo and choose that as an input in Note, during the recording every note triggers in Note, the notes appear on the grid, where they are supposed to appear, if I test the pads in Note, the right lanes with the notes in them light up, but on playback most of them don't play, most of the time only the snare. If I close hhd, all is fine again (at least once it was).
But also stuff hosted in Drambo can make Note act a bit weird, like I mentioned Aphelian. Would be interesting to know, what's causing this.
So, you are saying that notes get into Note fine?
As a test, after you have the MIDI in Ableton Note, remove the MIDI connection between Drambo and Note.
Does the track play correctly?
If Ableton Link is on, playing your Note track will cause HDD to start playing (if Link is turned on for it). So, if you are feeding MIDI into Note from Drambo, HDD will be sending midi to drambo which is being sent to Note while note is trying to play back the track and that might be causing problems.
Yes, if I close Drambo it works.
About Ableton Link, I tried disabling the sync start/stop in hhd and stopped the transport there after recording, but that didn't help. shouldn't it, if the problem is the running midi stream?
Something else, I didn't see it before (maybe because of the order I opened the apps in) but, while I can not choose Note as a midi destination in hhd, I can choose hhd as a midi input in Note. Unfortunately no matter to what midi channel I set hhd nothing gets into Note. Can I make it work this way, or does it need to be available inside hhd.
I also tried the network session 1, but didn't get that to work either. It would be of course even nicer to have a solution with just 2 apps.
@tyslothrop1 : after you record from hhd, go into note’s settings and turn off midi in from Drambo,
What happens?
@espiegel123 Thanks, yes this does work, afterwards everything plays fine. As the process involves a lot of appswitching and menudiving, I think I'll try some other way Tried replacing Drambo with audiobus, but no luck so far.
If anybody has helpful suggestions on how to route the midi in audiobus or how to do it with network session 1, that would be cool.
By the way the red Hihat gostnote does not midi trigger any note of my external sounds on Keyboard. Annoying. So I stick with funkdrummer triggering my Keyboard drums.
What this tells you is that the problem is that you keep sending midi notes to Notes’ midi in — so you are sending external
MIDI triggers to Notes that are competing with the notes you have already recorded,
Aka a (midi) feedback loop
A first cousin? Not quite a feedback loop as Notes doesn’t send out MIDI.
@tyslothrop1 : what happens if you turn off link in Note after you have captured from hhd?
I'm not following the conversation very closely and don't want to cause confusion, but this is an important point:
It's natural to think that you would set hhd to output to Note and Note's input to hdd, but in iOS connections don't work that way. You need both "ends" of the connection to match. Note's input, if you can set one should be set to "Note".
If hhd published a virtual port then you should see it in Note. In that case you would set hhd to output to the hhd port and Note to listen to it.
What I'm trying to say is: if you have settings to make on both ends, they need to match, not to be set to the other app on each end. Probably doesn't help in this case, but it's an important piece of information to tuck away for the future.
Network Session is a workaround in certain rare situations where virtual ports aren't published. But many apps don't support it even though they list the port. Again no help here but info for the future.
@wim: HHD (like all LUMBEATS apps) doesn’t expose a virtual midi out. Ableton Note doesn’t expose a virtual midi in. So, an intermediary is needed. Drambo is being used here in the same way that people have sometimes used Audiobus to solve the same problem.
I think the OP’s main issue as akin to (but not quite) a midi feedback loop.
Yeh, that makes sense. I was just tossing out some info that might prevent future confusion.
That doesn't change anything, even if I record with link off in Note, hardly anything triggers, if I close Drambo and HDD, the recorded midi plays fine.
For a moment I thought, the problem is, that Note goes into overdub right away, but that wouldn't explain, that during recording stuff doesn't trigger (I think in my original post, I wrote that playback during recording is fine, but that is not the case now... whatever might have changed, or maybe I was wrong then).
@wim thanks for your explanations! on iOS my approach to midi routing so far is pretty trial and error. A lot of the time it kind of works, but it's sure useful to know, why it does, when it does and why not, when not.
@tyslothrop1 : please make a screen recording and demonstrate. I am now pretty sure that I don’t understand what you are explaining.
i just set up softdrummer into drambo into Note and am not seeing the sort of problem you mention.So, a demonstration would be great.
So, I Made a Little Screen Recording. I think I did all the steps you recommended. Here‘s the link:
Oops, is it possible to share a private video here? How?
Make it unlisted not private
@espiegel123 thanks now the original link works (it's my first YouTube upload...)
@tyslothrop1 : it looks like your problem (as conjectured above) is that you record notes into a Note track and continue to send notes to it while it is trying to play back. So you have the recorded notes fighting with new incoming notes.
I see that you turn Ableton link off in Note while HDD is playing. I am not sure what that was mean to do. That just means that when you start Note playing, it won’t be synched to HDD.
What do you want to happen after you finish recording into Note?
Do you any HDD to continue playing? If so, you need to either turn off the midi input in Note from Drambo or have Drambo stop forwarding HDD’s midi to Note.
If you want HDD to stop playing, you will either need to switch to HDD to stop it or send midi to HDD to stop its transport.