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Random Apple rant: Undo mail send
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Thanks for letting us know this!!
That’s how all email services implement undo send.
Indeed. No idea why this is an "Apple" rant, rather than an "every email app and provider on the planet" rant, or why on earth anyone would think being able to undo is something to rail against in the first place.
Have you opened a support ticket with Apple about it @tja?
Who's to say that clicking the button that says "send" isn't in fact doing the sending? When I drop a letter in a mailbox, I expect it will sit there for a period before it actually starts the journey to its destination. But if I dropped it off on Monday, and the letter sat there until the box was emptied Tuesday, I would still say Monday was the day I sent it.
But as a purely functional question, how would the way you thought it worked be an improvement over the way it does?
It simply shouldn't be implemented at all. People again have to get used to thinking about their actions and that actions have consequences. If you're not absolutely positively utterly sure that you want to send an email, don't hit "Send" for Christ's sake.
Because nothing is being undone. An action that you have chosen to execute is instead not executed without your knowledge.
It's different from an "Undo" feature in a MIDI sequencer, where this is actually technically possible without any negative side-effects and makes sense as it's a creative iterative process. Sending emails isn't (or at least shouldn't be 😄). But maybe I'm again stuck in the 90s 🥴
Yeah, that's what I meant by "A normal Undo feature doesn't have any negative side-effects". This one does.
Which is a lie!
Heh, I do the same -- basically, my iOS devices are ALWAYS in Airplane mode except if there's a good reason not to (i.e. I want to explicitly access the internet for something). So I've probably had huge delays in sending mails in the past without even realizing it. Not sure if the iOS Mail client also implements this "Undo" whackyness.
I almost lost my job at least once, and thought another time I was going to be responsible for a CEO having, an aneurism due to Outlook's "recall" message feature. The issue was trying to explain to apoplectic executives that Recall Message only works for internal messages, not messages that have been sent to internet addresses.
(The only thing that saved me one time was letting the a-hole know that I did see and archive the *ahem* nsfw email he accidentally sent to the wrong person, for the benefit of HR, should it come to that.)
We need to learn actions have consequences, so I take it that you are against all undo buttons then, right?
Anyway, I thought you only disabled the unsend function when you realized it didn't retrieve mail that was "already received." When you thought it worked that way, why were you ok with the recklessness of actions that carry no consequences?
You can't be serious with this moral outrage, this actions/consequences thing.
No, I'm not generally against Undo buttons. But this button doesn't Undo anything, it instead prevents an action from occuring (slowing it down). It is at the very least mislabeled. If the "Send" button were labeled "Queue for sending", and the "Undo" button "Cancel sending", that would make sense.
And sending an email is an action that has potential consequences and thus should be well considered. How far do we want this Undo business to go? I mean, you also can't just slap someone in the face on a whim and then think "Ah crap I'll Undo it." 😄
I think you're confusing me with the OP @tja. But yes, I try to disable this too whenever I find it. Also first thing I do in any fresh OS installation is to disable the "Trashcan" feature. Call me daring 😄
I wasn't fully serious about the "moral outrage" thing. But I do think there is a broader trend in society that has to do with problems taking responsibility. The connection to this "Undo" feature might be a bit constructed I admit.
"Because nothing is being undone. An action that you have chosen to execute is instead not executed without your knowledge."
What are you talking about?
First of all, if it was without your knowledge, that's a knowledge problem. Because you assumed it worked some "magic," and decided not to investigate further until you used it a few times. From the first time I used an undo send function, I knew how it worked. Knowledge isn't spoon fed to you, you need to do a little work too.
And how does a ten second delay change clicking the button from an act of sending to something else? If you drop a letter through a slot that says "outgoing mail" are you going to say you were lied to if the mail didn't actually go out for 30 seconds?
You are kidding or something, I can't tell. You can't be serious, though, LOL
Especially on live TV at the Oscars.
Maybe I'm not a good English speaker (I'm German). I meant "it has not been executed without me knowing about it". If you are saying that I'm supposed to know that a button labeled "Send" does not send, then that's a peculiar view to have.
I never assumed so, because I know the RFCs and know that it's technically impossible to have an "Undo" feature for sending email. So I immediately assumed that it does what it does, and that's why I disabled it the first time I came across the feature!
I'm glad I have competent teachers like you telling me how to acquire knowledge, I clearly have failed dramatically in this regard from the day I was born. I mean look at my life 😂
(I consider this mostly about semantics now and will stop participating in this discussion)
That's actually exactly the scene I had in mind 😁
Whoever you are fighting this battle for, I hope one day they realize how much you are doing to improve their lot. But by your logic, because actions should not be divorced from consequences, all undo buttons have to go. Imagine what a world we could live in if more thought so deeply about right and wrong as you do, haha. JK.
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Heh, that's even worse control-freak behaviour than me 😂
I wish there was an undo button right now so I could unread this thread.
I'm not sure why this topic is so controversial and stirs up so many emotions...
I mean, imagine you're buying a microwave for your kitchen.
When you press the "Start" button, it'll turn on the lights, start the fan, and rotate the plate. However, only after 10 seconds will it actually start cooking the food. Next to the "Start" button there's an "Undo" button which turns everything off.
That's exactly the real-world equivalent.
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First world problems…
It really isn't.
ANYTHING discussed on this forum is a first world problem. Shall we close it?
Can you elaborate?