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Logic’s Mastering Assistant VS Grand Finale VS Bandlab

edited November 2023 in Logic Pro

From 07:06 in the video below. Which sounds better?

Mastering
  1. Which sounds best?23 votes
    1. Logic Mastering Assistant
      78.26%
    2. Grand Finale
      13.04%
    3. BandLab
        8.70%

Comments

  • Nice tune.

    Grand finale sound worst

  • edited November 2023

    I dont have Logic to test it personally but I’ve had decent results with BandLab before, and it’s free! Looking forward to watching this later though. Really curious about how it sounds.

  • I’ve used GF2 for a longer while now than Mastering Asst. because it’s been out longer naturally. I think it’s got more controls that MasterAsst doesn’t have and can get equally subtle if you use it subtly. I really like MasterAss(oops!) but my winner for GF2 is that I can use it on any DAW to get unified final sounds regardless of where I DAWed it.

    Plus I’m not tempted to call it MasterAss… 😐

  • Logic's thing may be my new favorite. My previous favorite was Positive Grid's thing, but unfortunately:

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  • What about trinity!

  • @Thelast27 said:
    What about trinity!

    Trinity is fantastic. It’s what I use if I’m not mastering in Cubasis.

  • I think overall I prefer Mastering Assistant in the examples, though the volume levels between the examples is a little off and that is skewing things a bit too.

    My only real worry is that the spread knob in MA is going to catch a lot of people out with issues. Already having things spread too far to the sides of the mix is by far the biggest issue I'm addressing in people's mixes when I master them. Having that control so front and center in such a minimal interface will likely lead to people using it when likely they don't need to.

    Kind of the same situation I see a lot from people who use Izotope and think they need to use all the modules in it on every track.

  • I did a blind test, the first (Logic) sounded best to me. But also, when the drum-less part was playing (from 8:43) , I found GF to sound better between the 3.

  • @NoiseHorse said:
    I’ve used GF2 for a longer while now than Mastering Asst. because it’s been out longer naturally. I think it’s got more controls that MasterAsst doesn’t have and can get equally subtle if you use it subtly. I really like MasterAss(oops!) but my winner for GF2 is that I can use it on any DAW to get unified final sounds regardless of where I DAWed it.

    Plus I’m not tempted to call it MasterAss… 😐

    At least it's not called "Master Bass". 😂


    By the way, my vote is "none of the above". I get my results with MasterDeathEyeStereo (which does have a handy EQ), Reelbus, and Barricade.

  • edited November 2023

    @Tarekith said:
    I think overall I prefer Mastering Assistant in the examples, though the volume levels between the examples is a little off and that is skewing things a bit too.

    My only real worry is that the spread knob in MA is going to catch a lot of people out with issues. Already having things spread too far to the sides of the mix is by far the biggest issue I'm addressing in people's mixes when I master them. Having that control so front and center in such a minimal interface will likely lead to people using it when likely they don't need to.

    Kind of the same situation I see a lot from people who use Izotope and think they need to use all the modules in it on every track.

    At least they put a correlation meter next to the spread control so people can watch their mixes go wrong. ;-)

    Perhaps Apple should have made a YouTuber shock face pop up when it goes -ve!

    Anyways. It’s a pretty damn good for a stock plugin.

    I’ll stick to TDR Limiter 6 on the Mac, I think I can get better results with that (with all modules enabled obviously) but MA is really useful for those work in progress mixes where you can get a rough mix sounding pretty great with no fuss.

    Especially when you turn loudness and spread all the way up. :)

  • “ Anyways. It’s a pretty damn good for a stock plugin”

    Can’t disagree, it kicks Mastering ass!

  • @Tarekith said:
    I think overall I prefer Mastering Assistant in the examples, though the volume levels between the examples is a little off and that is skewing things a bit too.

    My only real worry is that the spread knob in MA is going to catch a lot of people out with issues. Already having things spread too far to the sides of the mix is by far the biggest issue I'm addressing in people's mixes when I master them. Having that control so front and center in such a minimal interface will likely lead to people using it when likely they don't need to.

    Kind of the same situation I see a lot from people who use Izotope and think they need to use all the modules in it on every track.

    Mastering Assistant will narrow a mix if it thinks it's too wide after analysing the track, the correlation meter is there to help people with that. I think the idea is that you let MA do its thing and once it comes up with adjustments you leave them alone. If people take this approach then MA should (in theory) fix more problems than it causes.

  • It has a knob, people will turn it, because “more is better”. 😉

  • edited November 2023

  • This mastering assist is so tempting to make me resub to Logic just to use it without twiddling knobs. Just to see how it stacks against my own mastering abilities.

    Question 1 - does it automatically set the resulting level to -14 LuFS?

    Question 2 - Can it master entire EPs/albums, or should I use it per track?

    Cheers.

  • @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    This mastering assist is so tempting to make me resub to Logic just to use it without twiddling knobs. Just to see how it stacks against my own mastering abilities.

    Question 1 - does it automatically set the resulting level to -14 LuFS?

    Question 2 - Can it master entire EPs/albums, or should I use it per track?

    Cheers.

    1. Yes. You can also turn it up if you want.

    2. Per track would be better I think. Nothing to stop you mastering an entire EP if that's what you want to do but it is designed for one track at a time. If the tracks are quite different in terms of overall tone balance, loudness etc. pre mastering you'd end up with the same settings for all of them. Which would not really suit any of them.

  • @klownshed said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    This mastering assist is so tempting to make me resub to Logic just to use it without twiddling knobs. Just to see how it stacks against my own mastering abilities.

    Question 1 - does it automatically set the resulting level to -14 LuFS?

    Question 2 - Can it master entire EPs/albums, or should I use it per track?

    Cheers.

    1. Yes. You can also turn it up if you want.

    2. Per track would be better I think. Nothing to stop you mastering an entire EP if that's what you want to do but it is designed for one track at a time. If the tracks are quite different in terms of overall tone balance, loudness etc. pre mastering you'd end up with the same settings for all of them. Which would not really suit any of them.

    Thanks mate. :) Excellent. I'm glad it sets it automatically to -14 LuFS. I'll be just fine with a "Per Track" workflow.

    ...yes, I just resubbed to LP4i. 😂 I bet Mastering Assist will do a far more professional job mastering my upcoming "2005" EP. I'm creating that EP in Nanostudio, and it will feature new versions of old tracks created around 2005 including "I Am the DJ", "I Need You Tonite" (sic), "Here Come the Champions" (I love basketball), "Rukun's Violin", etc.

  • @klownshed said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    This mastering assist is so tempting to make me resub to Logic just to use it without twiddling knobs. Just to see how it stacks against my own mastering abilities.

    Question 1 - does it automatically set the resulting level to -14 LuFS?

    Question 2 - Can it master entire EPs/albums, or should I use it per track?

    Cheers.

    1. Yes. You can also turn it up if you want.

    2. Per track would be better I think. Nothing to stop you mastering an entire EP if that's what you want to do but it is designed for one track at a time. If the tracks are quite different in terms of overall tone balance, loudness etc. pre mastering you'd end up with the same settings for all of them. Which would not really suit any of them.

    Do you know if BandLab does #1 as well? That could be very useful if you’ve already “finished” your track but just want to make sure the whole thing is leveled to the correct LUFS.

  • Oh, one other question. Can Mastering Assist take a reference track and then master mine?

  • I’m happy but a little pissed at the same time. That darn Mastering Assistant gives me consistently best on iOS final masters of whatever song whatever style. I’m now moving over all my tunes created in other DAWs that I’m more comfortable with and it’s forcing me to learn to like LP4I’s look and assets.
    I was perfectly happy doing what I was doing, but I can’t deny the improvement in quality. I’m an old dog that doesn’t appreciate new tricks, but I guess I’m switching over.

  • @NoiseHorse said:
    I’m happy but a little pissed at the same time. That darn Mastering Assistant gives me consistently best on iOS final masters of whatever song whatever style. I’m now moving over all my tunes created in other DAWs that I’m more comfortable with and it’s forcing me to learn to like LP4I’s look and assets.
    I was perfectly happy doing what I was doing, but I can’t deny the improvement in quality. I’m an old dog that doesn’t appreciate new tricks, but I guess I’m switching over.

    😀👍

  • I wonder how LP4i mastering assistant compare to online AI mastering such as LANDR. Anybody try those ?

  • @ecou said:
    I wonder how LP4i mastering assistant compare to online AI mastering such as LANDR. Anybody try those ?

    BandLab has a good one also. My mate used Landr for his last release and it sounded very very good.

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