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iPad sequencing iPad. No question too stupid? Challenge accepted.

Thinking of upgrading my 2017 iPad Pro to an M1 iPad with 16gb ram so I can dive into Logic. But I also enjoy the more free form experience of AUM. The bit I don’t like is sequencing AUM instruments from the same iPad. Ideally, I’d have a sequencer constantly open (or a hardware sequencer). Is it possible to use my old iPad as a sequencer for apps on the new one? I know separate iPads can sync with Ableton link, but is it possible to send Bluetooth midi from one iPad to another?
I warned you it was a stupid question.

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  • @iansainsbury said:
    Thinking of upgrading my 2017 iPad Pro to an M1 iPad with 16gb ram so I can dive into Logic. But I also enjoy the more free form experience of AUM. The bit I don’t like is sequencing AUM instruments from the same iPad. Ideally, I’d have a sequencer constantly open (or a hardware sequencer). Is it possible to use my old iPad as a sequencer for apps on the new one? I know separate iPads can sync with Ableton link, but is it possible to send Bluetooth midi from one iPad to another?
    I warned you it was a stupid question.

    Yes, Bluetooth midi can be sent.

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @iansainsbury said:
    Thinking of upgrading my 2017 iPad Pro to an M1 iPad with 16gb ram so I can dive into Logic. But I also enjoy the more free form experience of AUM. The bit I don’t like is sequencing AUM instruments from the same iPad. Ideally, I’d have a sequencer constantly open (or a hardware sequencer). Is it possible to use my old iPad as a sequencer for apps on the new one? I know separate iPads can sync with Ableton link, but is it possible to send Bluetooth midi from one iPad to another?
    I warned you it was a stupid question.

    Yes, Bluetooth midi can be sent.

    Thank you. Great. In AUM? How? Is there a handy video for midiots like me?

  • @iansainsbury said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @iansainsbury said:
    Thinking of upgrading my 2017 iPad Pro to an M1 iPad with 16gb ram so I can dive into Logic. But I also enjoy the more free form experience of AUM. The bit I don’t like is sequencing AUM instruments from the same iPad. Ideally, I’d have a sequencer constantly open (or a hardware sequencer). Is it possible to use my old iPad as a sequencer for apps on the new one? I know separate iPads can sync with Ableton link, but is it possible to send Bluetooth midi from one iPad to another?
    I warned you it was a stupid question.

    Yes, Bluetooth midi can be sent.

    Thank you. Great. In AUM? How? Is there a handy video for midiots like me?

    It is just a matter of using the Bluetooth setup in AUM or any host that has midi Bluetooth setup. You can also use midimittr. If you search in the forum, you’ll find a number of posts about how to set it up.

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @iansainsbury said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @iansainsbury said:
    Thinking of upgrading my 2017 iPad Pro to an M1 iPad with 16gb ram so I can dive into Logic. But I also enjoy the more free form experience of AUM. The bit I don’t like is sequencing AUM instruments from the same iPad. Ideally, I’d have a sequencer constantly open (or a hardware sequencer). Is it possible to use my old iPad as a sequencer for apps on the new one? I know separate iPads can sync with Ableton link, but is it possible to send Bluetooth midi from one iPad to another?
    I warned you it was a stupid question.

    Yes, Bluetooth midi can be sent.

    Thank you. Great. In AUM? How? Is there a handy video for midiots like me?

    It is just a matter of using the Bluetooth setup in AUM or any host that has midi Bluetooth setup. You can also use midimittr. If you search in the forum, you’ll find a number of posts about how to set it up.

    Thanks. A quick forum search didn’t bring anything up, and an attempt with my iPhone and iPad was a miserable failure. I’m sure there must be a YouTube tutorial out there. I’ll keep looking.

  • Try searching in the forum for : Bluetooth advertise midimittr

  • @espiegel123 said:
    Try searching in the forum for : Bluetooth advertise midimittr

    Perfect. Will do. Cheers.

  • @espiegel123 said:
    Try searching in the forum for : Bluetooth advertise midimittr

    That did it. Success! Thanks again.

  • wimwim
    edited November 2023

    Just so it's clear, Midimittr isn't required. AUM has everything needed built-in. The in-app help explains it. If that's not enough I'm happy to post step by step with screenshots.

    http://kymatica.com/aum/help. Look for Settings > Wireless MIDI in the table of contents on the left.

    Basically, advertise on one device from the Bluetooth Peripheral menu, then connect from the other from the Bluetooth Central menu. Both can be accessed easily from the routing matrix by tapping the Bluetooth icon.

    Midimittr is fine too if preferred.

  • edited November 2023

    I am using a two iPad (and a Mac mini) setup myself.
    A 16 GB M2 iPad as the main workhorse and an older iPad Pro as optional sequencer/midi control surface.

    I highly recommend the usage of USB to MIDI adapters.

    It's absolute reliable, has the lowest latency possible and you don't need to activate anything. It's directly available as a MIDI device in AUM and everything else.

    Bluetooth has higher latency, can be disturbed and often needs to be connected with extra clicks and submenus.

    To connect two devices, you need
    2 x USB to 5 Pin DIN MIDI adapters
    2 x 5 Pin DIN MIDI couplings female/female

  • @wim said:
    Just so it's clear, Midimittr isn't required. AUM has everything needed built-in. The in-app help explains it. If that's not enough I'm happy to post step by step with screenshots.

    http://kymatica.com/aum/help. Look for Settings > Wireless MIDI in the table of contents on the left.

    Basically, advertise on one device from the Bluetooth Peripheral menu, then connect from the other from the Bluetooth Central menu. Both can be accessed easily from the routing matrix by tapping the Bluetooth icon.

    Midimittr is fine too if preferred.

    Even easier. Excellent.

  • wimwim
    edited November 2023

    @iansainsbury said:

    @wim said:
    Just so it's clear, Midimittr isn't required. AUM has everything needed built-in. The in-app help explains it. If that's not enough I'm happy to post step by step with screenshots.

    http://kymatica.com/aum/help. Look for Settings > Wireless MIDI in the table of contents on the left.

    Basically, advertise on one device from the Bluetooth Peripheral menu, then connect from the other from the Bluetooth Central menu. Both can be accessed easily from the routing matrix by tapping the Bluetooth icon.

    Midimittr is fine too if preferred.

    Even easier. Excellent.

    You do have to redo the connection every time you shut everything down. Can't be avoided with Bluetooth Midi unfortunately.

  • @HarlekinX said:
    I am using a two iPad (and a Mac mini) setup myself.
    A 16 GB M2 iPad as the main workhorse and an older iPad Pro as optional sequencer/midi control surface.

    I highly recommend the usage of USB to MIDI adapters.

    It's absolute reliable, has the lowest latency possible and you don't need to activate anything. It's directly available as a MIDI device in AUM and everything else.

    Bluetooth has higher latency, can be disturbed and often needs to be connected with extra clicks and submenus.

    To connect two devices, you need
    2 x USB to 5 Pin DIN MIDI adapters
    2 x 5 Pin DIN MIDI couplings female/female

    If Bluetooth proves unreliable, I will explore this route, thanks.

  • Bookmarked. Useful midiot adventure.

  • @HarlekinX said:
    I am using a two iPad (and a Mac mini) setup myself.
    A 16 GB M2 iPad as the main workhorse and an older iPad Pro as optional sequencer/midi control surface.

    I highly recommend the usage of USB to MIDI adapters.

    It's absolute reliable, has the lowest latency possible and you don't need to activate anything. It's directly available as a MIDI device in AUM and everything else.

    Bluetooth has higher latency, can be disturbed and often needs to be connected with extra clicks and submenus.

    To connect two devices, you need
    2 x USB to 5 Pin DIN MIDI adapters
    2 x 5 Pin DIN MIDI couplings female/female

    Same here. It’s a bit more effort but totally worth it.

  • wimwim
    edited November 2023

    Fun fact: You can go from one iOS device to another using Network Session with a USB cable too. I'm not sure how the setup needs to work with USB C, but I can use a lightning cable. The USB side is connected to the phone with the USB3 - CCK and the lightning connector is straight into the iPad. Wifi and bluetooth are disabled.

  • @wim said:
    Fun fact: You can go from one iOS device to another using Network Session with a USB cable too. I'm not sure how the setup needs to work with USB C, but I can use a lightning cable. The USB side is connected to the phone with the USB3 - CCK and the lightning connector is straight into the iPad. Wifi and bluetooth are disabled.

    I need to try that again. I seem to recall I could get it to work with direct usb C to lightning connection but not with a hub which limits things a bit.

  • edited November 2023

    @wim said:
    Fun fact: You can go from one iOS device to another using Network Session with a USB cable too. I'm not sure how the setup needs to work with USB C, but I can use a lightning cable. The USB side is connected to the phone with the USB3 - CCK and the lightning connector is straight into the iPad. Wifi and bluetooth are disabled.

    I want to try that. That’s pretty simple! @wim to the rescue yet again!

  • Son of a gun! I plugged power into the CCK and it's charging both my iPhone and iPad while sending midi between the two.

    (Note this setup will work with a hub too if the CCK is plugged into the host port, but will only route between two devices (one in the CCK / Host port and one in a guest port) as far as I know.)

  • @BroCoast said:

    @HarlekinX said:
    I am using a two iPad (and a Mac mini) setup myself.
    A 16 GB M2 iPad as the main workhorse and an older iPad Pro as optional sequencer/midi control surface.

    I highly recommend the usage of USB to MIDI adapters.

    It's absolute reliable, has the lowest latency possible and you don't need to activate anything. It's directly available as a MIDI device in AUM and everything else.

    Bluetooth has higher latency, can be disturbed and often needs to be connected with extra clicks and submenus.

    To connect two devices, you need
    2 x USB to 5 Pin DIN MIDI adapters
    2 x 5 Pin DIN MIDI couplings female/female

    Same here. It’s a bit more effort but totally worth it.

    I agree!! Its the most easy setup because nothing has to be activated and connection is very reliable. I use it to integrate an ipad in my DAW environment.

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