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Scaler EQ coming in Q1 - More Gamechangier?
The Scaler devs have told me that they are aiming to launch the brilliant new Scaler EQ on iOS in Q1…
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Here's the sales pitch...
Is this something that people actually need, or just another one of those "it would be nice to have" items?
Does it matter? Not everything has to be a game changer or simply something you need to justify buying it…
For me it's more of a "would be nice to have" sort of deal, depending on the price. I have a nice selection of EQ plugins already, including Pro-Q 3 and TB Reverb. I'm set for a while.
Don’t know but to me the sales-pitch examples just makes things sound more shallow and sterile and full of unpleasant frequency gaps like harmonic enhancers on overdrive…
Scaler 2 was one of those apps that had an immediate impact on my workflow and overall understanding of music theory.
It was a no brainer for me to try the next offering and I’m so glad I did. I have a ton of EQs. Fab Filter, tone boosters and all other EQs are amazing but assumes the user has knowledge of exactly what to do with the tools provided. Obviously this can and does take a lifetime to master. I don’t think most creators love spending time on EQ.
I just want to play my Aerophone, instruments, synths and samplers into loops/tracks and build up songs. When I’m done, I just want it to sound as good as possible. Now that happens much quicker for me. I’ve been enjoying it on desktop for awhile and think people who would find value in being able to quickly identify the scale, key and chords of any audio, use EQ musically—perhaps to create sudden subtle rhythms and harmonic space or portals through tracks, samples or any audio file will love it.
You can be heavy handed or precise depending on skill level of course. It’s now on every track because the devs are brilliant and it’s really efficient on Mac. Then I throw IK’s Mixbox, FF or TB on buses and/or masters if needed.
YMMV.
This and ShaperBox 3 are the two most impactful plugins for me this year.
Ah, @CapnWillie. Now I’m really looking forward to it.
Meeee tooo. Hopefully it has a free version with unlock like scaler 2 had so folks can give it a whirl without committing coin.
Remember when removing the background from a photo was tedious in Photoshop or Affinity? Now tap and hold the subject in any pic in your iPhone Photo app, or one click in Canva. Done.
For me, SEq is to Fab Filter, Tone Boosters EQ, etc…like Canva is to Photoshop/Affinity. Instant gratification when you don’t feel like being bogged down by so many tools or busy interfaces.
For the record, FF offers the ability to cut/boost frequencies by key using a virtual keyboard but you still need to know what the key/chords of the audio. I don’t think it uses AI to analyze audio and do so much automagically like SEq does.
Since using SEq I’ve already learned where (frequency) my favorite scales reside which I hadn’t learned in 30 years of experience with mixing. Just as Scaler 2 has allowed me to learn progressions I would have never even explored. Brilliant stuff.
Would I be wrong in thinking this is also not applicable to any music built on "chord-scales" IE where each chord is a (edit: scale) change and harmonic motion is maybe once per bar or thereabouts. Say for example Oliver Nelson's Patterns.
I'm probably not the target audience.
Total Gamechangier.
Eq is hard, one of the hardest things to learn about mixing.
Yours sincerely, a Scaler fanboy
This could be a somewhat workable idea if all our musical instruments had a single harmonic frequency. Basically a world of pure sine waves. With slow attacks and releases if we want to be pedantic (rapid envelope changes create frequencies of their own doncha know).
In reality however, with this tool you're going to be chipping away at overtones that you probably don't intend to (and there is the topic of inharmonicity, like in pianos, metallic instruments such as bells, FM synths, etc. Not to mention portamentos, glissandos, trills and the like - though they surely have thought of that?).
And if chipping away doesn't sound so bad, remember that by removing things in the frequency domain, you can actually ADD things to the waveform. As an extreme example, the pre- and post-ringing of an approximate brickwall filter. Which actually ties into this, since we're talking extremely narrow bandwidths in chromatic filtering. I also had surmised related issues in a plugin called Chromatic Compander, which was subsequently confirmed by others. In a nutshell, when you start modulating these extremely narrow bands, a lot of things starts happening that you can bet your sweet bippy aren't mentioned in the product brochure or user's manual.
I've probably seen hundreds of new plugin launches, including a bunch of whimsical and novelty ones, pure and distilled snake oil ones, and many other interesting products.
In all my time in the industry, I never, ever saw something like this outside an april fools context.
The straight face with which this is presented is killing me. With a little more enthusiasm, this could be another "The Salad Mixxxer" video.
I'd definitely call this effect a novelty one and would limit its use to extremely specific niches when it comes to high-quality audio mixing.
Wow... I'm almost speechless. Wild, wild times my friends.
Indeed. EQ also requires time investment which is expensive. I respect that everyone is different. One persons treasure is another’s trash. This one’s another hit for me.
Didn’t expect it would arrive so quickly to IPad. They stuck to the date given for Scaler 2 port so I expect it’ll be here Q1 as reported.
hmmm I'll wait for Pro-Q 4 whenever that happens as I'm sure it will also evolve....
Sure, but have you actually used it?
Very mixed reports on other forums so the jury is definitely out on this one. Good to hear some positive reports here. Maybe it’s how you use it?
Not surprising for it to be yet another in a long line of polarizing apps. Scaler 2 was that. When it was released, some said it was cheating. Others didn’t like the interface. Captain Chord fans flamed it. Instachord fans had their say. It’s unavoidable these days.
*It’s good to have different opinions. It’s the first rule of Forum Club.
The original Scaler thread here on the forum began just like this one. Some skeptics. Others just didn’t take to it. Many came around after launch. Majority of us who have experience with Scaler and the Devs knew/know what to expect.
utlimately, there is very few unanimously loved gear/kit/apps released these days. If any.
I was a Beta tester for the PC.. It is rather good, especially if you know how to use FabFilter Q3?.. In fact I use this more than Q3.. Superb on the Master Buss.. Its a very Dynamic EQ.. I'm looking forward to there further development with it?.. You wont be disappointed guys..
Yep - good points!
There are two main ways an app can be polarizing.
One way may concern the creative process, workflows, ease of use, pricing model, or even ideological undertones, which usually happens during paradigm shifts.
The other is when we're strictly talking about the audio quality itself. I think in this latter category there are no valid competing viewpoints or two sides. Whenever there was an exception to that, we usually ended up with a sound effect that was clearly outside of the realm what we consider high-quality audio processing, and everyone agreed with that (albeit a few subtle exceptions may remain, coinciding with the mentions of "analog warmth" and the like).
If this kind of processing becomes a staple and a daily routine in many studios, with people putting it on the master bus, I think that will mark a historical turning point in our approach to audio quality. I think game changer is a gross understatement.
It’s not exactly a new concept, you can do something pretty similar with Melda’s dynamic eq
Forgive me if I’m wrong in the assumption that this last bit is you imagining the implications of if Scaler has promised and delivered something transformative with Scaler EQ?
If I’m atleast warm on that I think you and others may find the following video interesting. Using SEq on master bus is covered. The whole thing is pretty good actually but it gets sexy at around 5:45 & 15:30.
I find some of the perceived negativity towards Scaler EQ a little puzzling.
Davide Carbone, Scaler’s product manager and presenter of the video above, is regarded as one of Australia’s most influential music producers, and has a very successful commercial career.
The inference that this is some sort of snake oil, or gimmick, seems a bit wide of the mark.
There is a free trial available for Mac/PC - which should enable more objective critiques.
Don’t take it personally, I’m sure Davide is used to it. It’s par for the course in today’s internet culture.
Davide and his team at Scaler are not losing any sleep over random comments on the internet. As mentioned, Davide (and a few of the Scaler Devs) have reached the very highest levels of performing and production. They also have a rock solid reputation and proven track record for delivering award winning composition, production and software for a long time now. No informed person thinks they would sacrifice their reputations to sell snake oil. Those who would were never their target demographic anyways 🤷🏽♂️.
That said, everything isn’t for everyone and a wide range of opinions and qualified feedback is helpful regardless of how critical.
Not at all a new concept if they target the pro at least , there are so many type of EQ including emu and analog ones. in the context of their particular app scaler 2 perhaps it really an interesting innovation as the guys are serious in the audio production world.
Just the formula * Game Changier* was a bit overused in 2023 even by Apple.
Hi everyone, just wanted to say we have a new update for Scaler EQ 1.1 with input/output limiters, in & out level controls, peak & rms meters, sidechain, scale switching and some other stuff too. It's made it less a 'should I use it now' tool to and more a 'I'm going to use it now' tool. More relevantly we were hoping to coincide the release with the iPad version but there were some usability issues we are addressing now. I don't think we are far but just need to get it right. It is lots of fun to use on the iPad. In terms of Scaler iOS and Scaler 2 there is a 2.9 dropping soon and later this year I think we have something major that will be a game changier across all platforms. Particularly iOS.
Sounds great @davide
I’ve been greatly enjoying the new update so far, particularly the new limiters. Brilliant.
I saw your livestream on YouTube and am also looking forward to the new Scaler 2.9 update next month right?
Yes, I’m in
Still looking forward to have this on iOS.
This is a cool idea but it's something myself and many others I know have been doing for years. The prof at the recording technology program I went through gave us a sheet that had the frequency spectrum matched to a piano keyboard and he emphasized how knowing what key a track is was an important factor in cuts & boosts.
FabFilter Pro-Q made it easy by including a piano keyboard at the bottom of the interface so you could do surgical EQ at specific frequencies related to the program material. This makes it super easy to accomplish and as long as the actual sound of the curves and the price is right I would go for this. Very interesting app...