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Inter-Application version of Sector is too big to see!
Hello! I'm just getting back into iPad music after some time away. One of my favorite beatslicers had always been Kymatica's Sector, which I'd used as a standalone application. Now I am getting into AUM, which is amazing. And while it can load inter-application apps like Sector, all I can see is like 1/4 of the UI, like it's scale is blown up too big.
Is this something that's been known to happen loading apps in AUM, or this an exception? Unfortunately I'm guessing that if making Sector an AUV3 was "easy" Jon would have done so. I guess I'll explore AUM while using Sector on the side, but I'd be psyched if there were some way to use it in AUM, so any help or advice would be appreciated.
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the trick here, as with many IAA use cases, is open the IAA app first, then the host. Just checked and its all good. Takes some preplanning which isn’t my strength so I often ahve to save project, close host, open IAA, thne the host again…
and welcome back to the playground
IAA apps are completely separate from the host they're running "in". They're not running in the host at all, but rather are just communicating audio and MIDI with it. The only real integration is the ability to switch the displayed app from the host or (sometimes) the guest.
The first thing to try is a device reboot. Second is to launch the app standalone. If it's not displaying correctly then my next suspicion would be checking accessibility settings for any zoom settings. If it is displaying correctly, but then that changes once you add it into AUM, then that's something very strange that I've never heard of.
AUM has no control whatsoever over how Sector displays. So it has to come down to either a bug in sector for your particular device or iOS version, or some setting in iOS itself.
Both apps are from the same developer, so if none of the above helps, then posting your iOS version and device details, and tagging the developer @ j_liljedahl would be a good idea.
Exactly. There was another IAA app like this recently. If AUM launched it, the GUI was completely broken. Starting it first, no problem. It seemed like there was some initialization prevented by the host launch. And I believe you can do this while the host is running. Just switch to the Home Screen and start the app, then return to the host and connect to it.
That's good info that there was another app with similar behavior.
Yes. I remember, it was the original Animoog, which is IAA only. I believe that with iPadOS 16 (or maybe 15), the GUI went bonkers when started by AUM, but perfectly fine when started stand-alone first. The first pic shows the result when launched by AUM, the second shows it launched stand-alone, then connected as IAA. You can see what I mean; it's really broken. There was an ABF discussion about this at the time.
Hey Doug, I think that's a misunderstanding from your side. You don't need to go through all those steps and there is no need for pre-planning, ever. The only thing with IAA apps is that some need the app to be launched before you open the IAA node for it in your host like AUM. Some don't need this and will always just open immediately once you search for them in AUM and select their IAA icon. In neither case is there any need for quitting your entire aum session and trying again. Give it a whirl and you'll see what I mean!
I mentioned pre planning because in my case it doesnt occur to me that i want to use the IAA until i’ve started a project.
since some IAA instruments’ GUI open in an unusuable way, i have to close the host which involves a few necessary steps including saving project, opening the IAA, and re-opening the host, re-selecting the IAA…
So pre-planning, only really to the extent that its easier to know ahead of time you want to use the IAA app.
Its a step saving kind of fore-thought. Pretty straightforward.
Ive done much testing in this area, because my main (timeline) DAW is IAA only.
Moog stuff opens weird if you dont open it before the host. Virsyn stuff too, The late great PPG apps. Apesoft. And so on.
Also- many of the IAA apps on offer in my host’s available IAA list aren’t actually available whether i open them first or not. Very common, and increasingly so.
this is a given, as IAA is on its way out. For me all this is worth the trouble given the quality of the IAA stuff that does works, and given the host i like to use.
Seems maybe we still misunderstand each other, because my point, which was first mentioned by Dave, is that you don't need to restart the host, which is what you're recommending. This is what Dave said and I think it is correct, no? 'you can do this while the host is running. Just switch to the Home Screen and start the app, then return to the host and connect to it.'
Right?
Right as rain, you guys nailed this and have given me a needed reminder, so many thanks.
A big help given my choice of hosts (FLSM).
I say reminder because stubborn IAAs that don’t respond to this approach in FLSM have seen me give up on trying it on any -
i think we all have seen in the iOS landscape it’s app by app.
Whats interesting as a footnote, for some reason opening even the most reticent apps works much better on the phone (?)
I realize that one catch with this is when restoring an AUM session that includes an IAA. Will it work if the IAA is started first, or is it bound to fail?
Should work if the IAA app is launched first. If it isn't there's a risk of it becoming a zombie IAA which needs a reboot to fix.
Thanks for the tip, everybody! I'll try that today, starting Sector first. Seems like an obvious thing to try, but since AUM isn't actually "hosting" Sector I was just befuddled. OTOH it was my first time playing the standalone via network MIDI so at least I figured out how to set up something!