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A BBD (MF) style delay unit done in Drambo.
Trying to find an affordable second hand Moogerfooger MF-104S without success, I've decided to model its sound very closely by A/B'ing with the hardware version.
It's the BBD part with a Drive knob. If you need the modulation, feel free to add Drambo's LFOs and mixers to taste.
I've also added a "BBD Style" knob which changes the sound quality towards a more modern, slightly brighter sound.
Hope you like it, feedback is welcome!
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Very cool! Drambo is so amazing as an effect.
Btw, they did release this one as a plugin on iOS and desktop if you want to get as close as possible in the meantime.
Thanks!
I've heard from users who own both the hardware and the plugin version that they kind of missed some "analog mojo" from the plugins, compared to the hardware side by side.
So I've tried different filter versions and settings until it sounded exactly like the hardware unit.
I don't own the plugins myself so I can't compare.
Anybody here interested in the Moogerfooger MF104 delay sound without the photorealistic panel? 😉
Thank you for sharing. Have not had a chance to check it out yet. Would be a real achievement if you could outdo Moog themselves on making a Drambo chain that's more similar to the original than Moog's own app, major kudos if you have! Hopefully someone who has the hardware and the Moog app or plugin, and the pedal itself can comment on how successful they reckon you've been and how significant the difference between them all is!
Gotcha! I was just saying on the off chance you didn’t know yet 😂
I definitely wanna try this though. I haven’t had the chance yet, but I love seeing the things people make in Drambo. Really an amazing piece of technology.
I played with it, I really like it. I don’t come from the background as a pedal owner. I have the plug in. Never used it much only cause as an SE2 user, I try to work mostly with Drambo modules. Only some AU FX are forgiving on such a small screen. Thanks you!
Nice work! It sounds really good I only wish it would self oscillate.
What do you mean by self-oscillate?
Have you tried the max settings of Feedback and Drive?
It will give you an endless delay loop that will slowly degrade into a nice flawed-BBD-like texture 😊
Thanks for your feedback! 😊
Pun intended? 😂
@rs2000 THANK YOU,
downloaded tried with interesting and saved under delay rack presets, because it sound really good.
This very subtle difference by saturation makes huge difference at the end.
I appreciate your sharing, as you put your time and found some gold, fortunately digital copy allow for as many users as each downloaded want.
BTW as most of us I’m also after BBD delays in rack and pedals form, and decided to to fully digitally on iPad/iphone, nowadays digital distortion/compressors/saturators are very inspiring, so I left analog …. Only tube preamp here for mic, but also not used so often.
I ❤️dirty digital processing!
Indeed 😄
@szczyp Happy to hear!
I was surprised too how well it turned out, especially how the "organic feedback" sound changes over time.
The mad scientist strikes again. It sounds great, even if I just had a quick try using phone speakers.
Great job @rs2000 once again!
Really good, thanks @rs2000.
Thanks that’s it! I didn’t push the drive to max. Great job
And this is what makes a great forum and community! Thank you for sharing @rs2000 You are a star ⭐️
Thank you guys and sorry, I forgot to save the project "with samples".
Just updated to Version 1.1 with samples on patchstorage.
This is really really nice. Thank you!!!!!
I was going to point that out last night when I posted, but had gotten totally lost with all the different sounds I was throwing at it, that I completely forgot about it by the time I posted. Thanks one again.
Unrelated to your rack, is my oversimplified understanding of what makes a delay BBD correct?
The high frequencies roll off with each passing delay.
If so, I’m curious what else, because over the years I’ve seen the term BBD used reverently, especially from older heads who used to have gear.
I like K7D cause the low frequencies roll off instead. So your module is a very welcome addition.
Well - the principle of a BBD delay is to use a chain of tiny silicon capacitors with relatively high loss as sample & hold stages. The more of these capacitors you have in a chip, the longer the delay can be.
Because these typically only had 512 to 4096 capacitors in a chain and audio had to be sampled in the analog domain, delay times were relatively short and fairly radical lowpass filtering had to be applied to avoid aliasing artifacts.
High frequencies therefore roll off with the first delay and stay relatively constant with successive delay repeats.
The lossy character of the analog design leads to the typical BBD artifacts over consecutive repeats and I was more than happy to make the same happen in a digital model.
BBD stands for "bucket brigade delay". It refers to an analog design where the signal travels along a series of capacitors, with a clock controlling the rate at which each one discharges into the next, creating the delay. When the term is used for software, it refers to an emulation which approximates this sound. The high frequencies are filtered out in analog BBDs in order to eliminate noise artifacts that are a result of the discrete design (the frequency at which they show up is a function of the clock rate). I haven't looked at the Drambo patch to see what technique is used for the emulation.
Thanks @rs2000 and @plragde . Very interesting!
While I can’t say how it holds up to the original (never owned hardware) I can say that it is a great sounding delay, thank you!
Btw I did read in the Transit fx thread that you were working on a Drambo version. I was especially interested in the ott module. Did you had luck making a ott? And maybe it is available on patchstorage or any tips how one can achieve to build this fx?