Anyone got a personal recommendation for some really characteristic electric piano sounds?

Gavinski

@sigma79 said:

@Gavinski said:

@sigma79 said:
Does Wurly have mappable sustain ?

It does. Actually, with sustain you don't need to 'map' it. Just send the sustain pedal or cc64 message directly into the app, like you do with midi notes

Can it map though?

What might param be called ?

If not.

App is no good for me and probably why I asked if there were sustain. As it probably wernt recieving.

My sustain sends on cc 12 ( it can be any cc apart from cc 64 )

So you gain cc automation lane in Drambo. Nice. Along with the piano roll.

Even without automation.

It wont recieve for just live.

Can achieve with pianoteq though.

Doubt Il buy other apps now, if sustain mapping isnt clear in discription.

Don’t see any way to map - maybe email the dev?

sigma79

@anotherscott2 said:

@sigma79 said:

My sustain sends on cc 12 ( it can be any cc apart from cc 64 )

CC64 is defined as sustain in the MIDI spec. In most cases, if you want something else to trigger sustain, you would have use some other app to remap anything else (in your case, 12) to 64. (And there are apps that can do remapping, which should solve your problem.)

I'm curious what you're using that's generating 12 from a sustain pedal, especially since you can make it anything else except 64.

irig blueboard.

Wurly would need to expose parameter though ?

Cant find sustain parameter exposed.

sigma79

Check the bliss.

Electric vintage is also dubious ( with sustain simulation in description )

anotherscott2

@sigma79 said:

irig blueboard.

Interesting... Sweetwater says you should be able to program it to send CC64 for sustain. Mistake?

https://www.sweetwater.com/insync/can-the-ik-multimedia-irig-blueboard-send-pedal-messages/

Wurly would need to expose parameter though ?

That's not typically an exposed (assignable) parameter. The solution would typically be to send it CC64. That's why I said, if your pedal can't send it CC64, I'd look for an app that can take what it is sending (e.g. 12) and convert it to 64.

An easy solution might be just to run your app(s) in Camelot Pro, which is a host environment that supports remapping of CCs.

https://kb.audiomodeling.com/en/c/how-to/d/camelot-supercharges-midi-processing/

anotherscott2

@sigma79 said:
Check the bliss.

Electric vintage is also dubious ( with sustain simulation in description )

I don't understand what that's a demonstration of, and I don't see any description.

sigma79

Check the bliss.

Electric vintage is also dubious ( with sustain simulation in description ) > @anotherscott2 said:

@sigma79 said:

irig blueboard.

Interesting... Sweetwater says you should be able to program it to send CC64 for sustain. Mistake?

https://www.sweetwater.com/insync/can-the-ik-multimedia-irig-blueboard-send-pedal-messages/

Wurly would need to expose parameter though ?

That's not typically an exposed (assignable) parameter. The solution would typically be to send it CC64. That's why I said, if your pedal can't send it CC64, I'd look for an app that can take what it is sending (e.g. 12) and convert it to 64.

An easy solution might be just to run your app(s) in Camelot Pro, which is a host environment that supports remapping of CCs.

https://kb.audiomodeling.com/en/c/how-to/d/camelot-supercharges-midi-processing/

Thanks scott.

Should have said.

Drambo cant map cc 64 to a parameter knob.

So it has to be any other cc.

If apps cant expose the parameter.

Wouldnt be able to automate like in vid, anyway.

What decent e pianos can produce a sustain parameter in Drambo ( like vid posted )

V tines ?

sigma79

@anotherscott2 said:

@sigma79 said:
Check the bliss.

Electric vintage is also dubious ( with sustain simulation in description )

I don't understand what that's a demonstration of, and I don't see any description.

Its recording sustain.

You would have a piano roll but also be able to edit sustain amount.

sigma79

How have people managed to edit piano type sounds, without automation of sustain.

Perhaps it wernt important but seems if you recorded notes to a pianoroll without being able to edit sustain.

Then you wouldnt bother using piano roll or maybe just then add sustain to piano roll notes and hit record.

Think theres Drambo modules anyway so you could gain editable sustain. But you can also with a sustain pedal and different cc number.

Perhaps you can in logic

Xequence.

Maybe atom and helium

Aum does let you map to cc64 from sustain pedal

Its just if theres any aum compatible piano rolls that does what Drambo does with cc 64 and make aums abilty to map cc64, useless anyway.

So maybe the question is different now.

What apps expose sustain ( 0-127 )

and only relevant anyway.

If your setup includes automation editing abilities.

Pianoteq is fine.

Perhaps v tines exposes sustain ?

Not sure about Electric vintage ( sustain simulation )

I could ask wurly dev to expose parameter.

The e piano requirements are now sparse.

sigma79

oh look.

The twit with sustain automation thinking they smart.

lol.

wim

@sigma79 - you're not going to find many apps that allow mapping of sustain. It's such an established standard that it's taken for granted everyone will just use it. Your best option for your use case is probably to use something to remap the BlueBoard output before it gets to other apps. mfxConvert is a simple AUv3 for that, but you might need a standalone app like MIDI Fire to intercept the output before a standalone app like Drambo.

Gavinski

@sigma79 said:
Check the bliss.

Electric vintage is also dubious ( with sustain simulation in description ) > @anotherscott2 said:

@sigma79 said:

irig blueboard.

Interesting... Sweetwater says you should be able to program it to send CC64 for sustain. Mistake?

https://www.sweetwater.com/insync/can-the-ik-multimedia-irig-blueboard-send-pedal-messages/

Wurly would need to expose parameter though ?

That's not typically an exposed (assignable) parameter. The solution would typically be to send it CC64. That's why I said, if your pedal can't send it CC64, I'd look for an app that can take what it is sending (e.g. 12) and convert it to 64.

An easy solution might be just to run your app(s) in Camelot Pro, which is a host environment that supports remapping of CCs.

https://kb.audiomodeling.com/en/c/how-to/d/camelot-supercharges-midi-processing/

Thanks scott.

Should have said.

Drambo cant map cc 64 to a parameter knob.

So it has to be any other cc.

If apps cant expose the parameter.

Wouldnt be able to automate like in vid, anyway.

What decent e pianos can produce a sustain parameter in Drambo ( like vid posted )

V tines ?

This is what I do to record sustain pedal into Atom if I just want a fixed sustain message and don’t want to actually ‘play’ the sustain pedal while recording: I set up my Atom session ready to record my notes. But first I start recording in Atom, I don’t play any notes, and just after Atom starts recording, I press the sustain pedal briefly (or just use a cc64 message). I stop the recording once I have sent that message and rewind the host. Now I record my notes into Atom. If you do it like this, every time you play back that Atom clip, Atom will send the sustain pedal message to Pianoteq (or Wurly or whatever), so you don’t have to think about it, you don’t have to remember to press sustain anywhere, you don’t have to worry if you don’t have an actual physical sustain pedal. You also don’t have to use any Drambo parameter knobs at all when using this method.

sigma79

Its cool wim, gav.

It works as needed ( Pianoteq + automation )

Just thought other e pianos might expose sustain to be mapped.

Fear2Stop

Wurly from Audiothing sounds great . I like doubling it with electric vintage and panning them 50/50 left and right

belldu

Don't think anyone has mentioned E Piano1 yet from the Yamaha DX 7.
Pretty much dominated the 1980s and I still love it.

Nowadays I use Dexed, which somehow makes the DX7 even more difficult to work with than the original synth.
E Piano 1 is in the Master Collection -> Original Yamaha -> DX7 Rom 1 -> Rom1a.syx file

sigma79

i post the lamest demos ( Its just where I dont use device much )

Obviously sustain will sustain if you hold a note but real sustain is gaining sustain when you release a note, then add more notes to the sustain.

So decided to see how it will be/worth editing in Drambo, at end of vid.

Can anyone recommend e pianos, that expose sustain parameter and gain the knob ( in Drambo )

Seems only pianoteq really but who knows.

Gavinski

@sigma79 said:
i post the lamest demos ( Its just where I dont use device much )

Obviously sustain will sustain if you hold a note but real sustain is gaining sustain when you release a note, then add more notes to the sustain.

"real sustain"? No! The sustain you are looking for is the sustain of ADSR envelopes on synths, but that's not how pianos work, though I also always wish that digital instruments offered ADSRs as an option.

sigma79

@Gavinski said:

@sigma79 said:
i post the lamest demos ( Its just where I dont use device much )

Obviously sustain will sustain if you hold a note but real sustain is gaining sustain when you release a note, then add more notes to the sustain.

"real sustain"? No! The sustain you are looking for is the sustain of ADSR envelopes on synths, but that's not how pianos work, though I also always wish that digital instruments offered ADSRs as an option.

Can probably be made in Drambo or drambo mfx in aum. Adsr. Perhaps an amount of something, that is linked to sustain pedal.

Gavinski

@sigma79 said:

@Gavinski said:

@sigma79 said:
i post the lamest demos ( Its just where I dont use device much )

Obviously sustain will sustain if you hold a note but real sustain is gaining sustain when you release a note, then add more notes to the sustain.

"real sustain"? No! The sustain you are looking for is the sustain of ADSR envelopes on synths, but that's not how pianos work, though I also always wish that digital instruments offered ADSRs as an option.

Can probably be made in Drambo or drambo mfx in aum. Adsr. Perhaps an amount of something, that is linked to sustain pedal.

I dunno, I'd be surprised, but would be intrigued if something is possible. The only way I know of is to use a sampler, but, of course, that's not ideal either in most cases.

sigma79

@Gavinski said:

@sigma79 said:

@Gavinski said:

@sigma79 said:
i post the lamest demos ( Its just where I dont use device much )

Obviously sustain will sustain if you hold a note but real sustain is gaining sustain when you release a note, then add more notes to the sustain.

"real sustain"? No! The sustain you are looking for is the sustain of ADSR envelopes on synths, but that's not how pianos work, though I also always wish that digital instruments offered ADSRs as an option.

Can probably be made in Drambo or drambo mfx in aum. Adsr. Perhaps an amount of something, that is linked to sustain pedal.

I dunno, I'd be surprised, but would be intrigued if something is possible. The only way I know of is to use a sampler, but, of course, that's not ideal either in most cases.

Thought Id show you the roland dp-10 sustain pedal in Pianoteq ( for knowledge )

Its not continous cc but sections.

Which is ok enough.

Gavinski

@sigma79 said:

@Gavinski said:

@sigma79 said:

@Gavinski said:

@sigma79 said:
i post the lamest demos ( Its just where I dont use device much )

Obviously sustain will sustain if you hold a note but real sustain is gaining sustain when you release a note, then add more notes to the sustain.

"real sustain"? No! The sustain you are looking for is the sustain of ADSR envelopes on synths, but that's not how pianos work, though I also always wish that digital instruments offered ADSRs as an option.

Can probably be made in Drambo or drambo mfx in aum. Adsr. Perhaps an amount of something, that is linked to sustain pedal.

I dunno, I'd be surprised, but would be intrigued if something is possible. The only way I know of is to use a sampler, but, of course, that's not ideal either in most cases.

Thought Id show you the roland dp-10 sustain pedal in Pianoteq ( for knowledge )

Its not continous cc but sections.

Which is ok enough.

Still better than just on/off, yes definitely